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Scroat
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Make that Twats of the Week and I'll nominate anyone in the Church of England who opposes the ordination of women bishops.
I know they haven't got the vote on the Isle of Wight yet, but this is just WEIRD.
What reason do you suppose? Because they don't have willies?
Just don't understand this.
Oh, ESPECIALLY Gove this week, Sauce.
Mary Evans
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All power to you Scroaty. Can I add the people sat next on the next table to Mr Mary and I at lunchtime, who were so hideously vile to their waitress they nearly reduced her to tears, for no better reason than they were just being rich and obnoxious. We gave said waitress a big tip and I told her at a thoroughly audible volume that some people were total wankers and shouldn't get her down.
And I might have knocked into their table, spilling their drinks all over their stupid selves.
Stan Laurel
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Of course, the whole thing could have been a set-up, just to get a big tip.
Skylarking
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As a former relgious producer who met many, many clergy in his time, may I just offer the following observations:
a) Those clergy whose view of tradition and holy scripture meant that they opposed women's ordination were often delightful and not at all sexist or misogynistic (also frequently camper than Christmas, including the straight ones but that is another matter)
b) The most intolerant person I ever interviewed was an American religious liberal who believed all the right things that would get him a pat on the back for being tolerant. But he utterly demonised anyone with more conservative views than his.
c) I actually knew the first clergyman to leave the church over women's ordination. He was actually really lovely, just deeply old fashioned in his views. I was also acquainted with the printer of an anarchist publication who picked up on the Revd's opposition to women vicars and printed in his esteemed underground publication that "a swift kicking is surely due". I tend to see those who see it as their job to 'administer a swift kicking' to those with the wrong views as the truly intolerant ones.
d)Twattishness is what twatty people say and do. Often at dinner parties in North London where they don't put a politically correct foot wrong. But they're still twats.
A bit heavy for NB but I always think decent satire should go a little deeper (matron).
rickwestwell
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Skylarking - I guess that's a thumbs down for my "Essential for bishops to have willies" says Church of England sub then? :-)
Skylarking
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Actually no Rick not at all (goes onto subs page and gives it healthy star rating). I reckon it's fine to lampoon something that appears to be a bit ridiculous - like this. The problem I have is with the demonisation of those who hold views we consider a bit ridiculous or outdated.
A classic example was the demonisation of Glenn Hoddle who was basically a really decent guy with 'the wrong views' about reincarnation - and I cringed with the rest of us when he said that stuff. Meanwhile other footballers genuinely behave like twats with no comeback at all...
I hope people vaguely get where I'm headed with this.
Sorry Al I have re-edited the comment and now your reply (which was rather funny) now doesn't make sense. Not deliberate, I promise!
Mary Evans
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While my feminist tendencies stop well short of believing men and women can do any job (get me started on parents in the army after a few tanks of Sauvignon), what I fail to understand about the female clergy debate is that surely women are eminently suited to roles within the church? Aside from issues of compassion, surely any job where you have to tell people how to live their lives while wearing a frock was made for a woman?
And I agree SL that one shouldn't demonise those with outdated views, but it would help their cause tremendously if they could come up with a better argument than 'well, they just shouldn't...'.
rickwestwell
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With you 100%, 'larkin. And I'd have approached Hoddle the same way, by ripping the piss mercilessly with rapier-sharp satire.
FormerlyAlOPecia
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Dear Skylarking,
The trouble with people who have ridiculous and outdated views, such as there is a non-existent deity who is responsible for all the good stuff whilst humans are responsible for all the bad stauff and the world was created in a puff of smoke like a Tommy Cooper trick, is that the minute you point out that their views are outdated, ridiculous and unsupported by fact, then they shout that they are being demonised, and in some cases threaten to kill you.
That's enough sub-clauses for now.
Best
Al
P.S. My replies rarely make sense, even before editing.
rickwestwell
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And I agree SL that one shouldn't demonise those with outdated views, but it would help their cause tremendously if they could come up with a better argument than 'well, they just shouldn't...'.
Mary, Mary - it's very simple. It's all about willies. Please see my latest soon-to-be-FP sub for further clarification, but basically, how can you possibly consider providing a spiritual direction without a mighty purple bell-end to point the way? It's obvious.
The All New Jeni B
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Soooooo Al, you "like" the Holy Knob of Guidance do you...?
thisisall1word
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In this day and age it's just simply wrong for the church to hide behind arcane scripture - surely we need a level playing field. I suggest that both men and women are banned from being bishops and only hermaphrodites or sexless animals should be allowed to be ordained. I think I'd draw the line at plants though.
sauce
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I'd like to nominate whichever bastard child/children gave my the horrendous sicky bug from which I am just crawling from my sickbed after 36 hours of misery.
Thanks, Scroaty, for your perceptive guess at my main shaft for the week. Though, through my fevered retchings (I do hope no one is late lunching?) I seemed to hear that GPs are now to have all their own buying beaurocracy. So how much does a fully trained GP earn? And how much time are they going to be spending on their "shopping"?
Fascinating debate, Skylarking and co. I quite agree about intollerance of intollerance. I'm quite intollerant of superstious mumbojumbo - hence my dislike of Gove.
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