Friends Of Green Earthpiece: 'Believe Scientists - Except About Fracking'.
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Love it, stars
I don't get it?
Global warming definitely happenning state scientists.......good
Fracking definitely safe state scientists......bad
That's why I laughed, maybe Titus will confirm!
Sorry, doesn't work for me
I really don't want to start a mass debate, but I have to speak up briefly:
- It's the big corporations & their employees that say it's safe, not scientists
- Fracking is banned in France, so French companies have come here to do it instead
- There is planned fracking just a few miles from here, with vast gas resources under the area where I live. This is VERY unpopular locally. However, most of the demonstrators are Greenham Common & Swampy types with little connection to the real world
Here comes the mass debate anyway:
I think Rob's analysis is basically right - it's about how environmental NGOs are selective in their use of science to validate conclusions they have reached by other means. We should indeed be very alarmed about climate change and the fate of bees, because the experts are. The experts are almost all pretty relaxed about fracking, though they agree we need to do a massive amount more test drilling before we even know what we have down there.
The big corporations employ scientists too. They are confident about the technology in general being safe, otherwise they wouldn't even consider it. They are also paranoid about bad publicity and losing what green credentials they have, which is why they are so weak-kneed at standing up to Greenpeace.
Environmental campaigners, meanwhile, believe or pretend they are poor little Davids standing up to the mighty Goliath of corporations. That may have been true in the 70s but has long since ceased to be; NGOs wield a lot of power these days, generally not responsibly. Fracking plays well to their self-image, since they can go on photogenic demos against ugly looking bits of equipment and raise lots of support and cash in the process.
Of course it will never be popular in the nice green areas where us nice middle class types live. It might well be a different story under the Bowland Shale area, which happens to be a) vast and b) in an economically deprived part of the country.
Sorry, I thought we didn't take anything seriously on this website. Or are the above comments fantastically clever post-modern postings? What i want to know about fracking is what highly paid idiot came up with that name?
Sorry for the serious note: my tap water comes from a borehole about 2 miles from where they want to do their explorations
Here's a funny video
I'm on the side of most scientists, but their employers don't always have the same moral values
I only recently found out that fracking has been going on for over 20 years in the UK. Not sure that there was any protest about it until it started making the news last year. It's very widespread in the US and there's nothing like the same level of controversy. I think that Oxbridge is right in that it fits the agenda of green groups to object to it.
Climate change isn't real either though.
There is a big oil well in Poole Harbour near Brownsea Island and opposite one of the most expensive bits of "Real Estate" in the world, Sandbanks. No-one gives a toss.
Frack for gas is some godforsaken place like Blackpool and suddenly it's bad. I don't get it. OK, so Blackpool may have an earthquake and collapse. Plus plus.
Fetching stuff up from miles underground doesn't have the best environmentaly friendly record.
Coal and oil spring to mind
Shale gas will last for a few years and then run out.
I'm no scientist but they say the windy stuff that blows in off the sea is here to stay and shows no sign of running out.
Of the two products (fresh air and shale gas)...one comes free and one comes at a massive financial and environmental cost.
I'm no economist either but I can hazard a guess at which one will get the most backing from those zany guys down on Canary Wharf.
Like it! Another advantage of fracking is that it could destroy areas like Blackpool. What's not to like?
A by-product of the fracking process is to produce a huge amount of polluted water, which can then drain into our groundwater supply. Its no 'theory', its happening right now in the US. Oil and coal are 'dirty forms' of energy but fracking is far more emotive as it impacts on what comes out of our taps.
When they allow fracking in Chipping Norton - then I'll believe its safe :D
Thank christ for that, I saw the star ratings and then clicked on the link because I just didn't seem to get 'the joke', and then I discovered this crescendo of wank.
Wrenfoe, are you seriously advocating banning fracking BECAUSE it's more emotive?
If fracking wasn't basically safe, the energy companies wouldn't consider it. They know this through experience - it has already been done on a much smaller scale for nearly 100 years and is now being done on a very big scale in America. As a result, US industry has pretty much come back from the dead in the last five years. In chemicals alone, about $100 billion of additional investment has been made or is planned. It's a staggering figure. It also means not importing so much from the Middle East, which can only be a good thing.
Now what happened there can't just happen the same way here because we don't have vast areas of basically unpopulated territory to drill in. But we can't just ignore it either. This ship has sailed - and is leaving port in China too. Our industry could get absolutely crushed if we don't address the huge imbalance in energy costs.
It will never be done just anywhere, of course, because only certain rock formations are suitable. In the UK, that means a big belt of Lancashire, Central Scotland and the Sussex Weald, basically. The former two are already highly industrialised and economically deprived. It would be amusing, I agree, to see Cameron's face if someone seriously advocated drilling in Chipping Norton but that's not really the point IMHO.
Better go now, as I am indeed Rebecca and being only three miles away from all of you at the same time is quite a strain.
"Britain to Follow Same Policy with Fracking as with Nucear" - i.e., do nothing, just witter on and on about it and dither.
Then wait until any remaining UK expertise and investment has perished completely, before eventually, out of desperate urgent neccessity, going ahead with it anyway but having to pay £squillions to overseas companies to come and do it for us.
Click on the red/orange markers to see where licences exist or are proposed, and obviously ignore the FoE emotive nonsense
Regardless of agreement or disagreement with the sentiment Mr Orca, I love 'crescendo of wank', I will be plagiarising that at the first opportunity!
Yeah, Wot Rob said ^
Really wanted to 5* that phrase.
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