This is the teacher who disappeared off to France last year with a teenage schoolgirl. Now, on the news they're saying that the girl can't be named for legal reasons. However, when she went missing her name was all over the news so we all know (or can easily google) who she is. So can anyone explain why she be named now huh?
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Presumably during the desperate and frantic search for her when she was missing it was reasonable to give as much information as possible to aid her discovery and rescue... but then when it became clear that she had been a victim of at the very least statutory rape (I'm not certain at all of the correct legal term for sexual intercourse with a minor, so that may or may not be appropriate) then as is customary a rape victim's name is not generally made public knowledge unless they wish to do so, and a hcild who is a crime victim would be given anonymity anyway?
Just because google exists, doesn't mean she and her family shouldn't now be afforded whatever possible privacy they can be given.
There are different laws involved.
In the first case, she was a missing child and it was in her interest to be named.
In the second case, she's the victim of alleged crime against a child and the law provides that her identity be withheld for her benefit.
It doesn't take much imagination to link the two but no one's going to change the law for the one example.
And yes, as Ironduke points out, she and her family will now want as little publicity as possible -- albeit they've had too much already.
Regarding "statutory rape", the term was in common use many years ago and I always understood it to mean sexual intercourse with someone unable to give consent by virtue of being below the age of consent (16 years of age). Ironduke's mentioning it led me to do a bit of web research and this is the best I could find.
It explains some of the peculiar terminology used in such cases.
Others point out that people in positions of authority (such as schoolteachers) have special obligations regarding minors (under 18 years of age), but they don't substantiate what they say.
Basically, it's as you say Arthur, but there are exceptions for those such as teachers, care-workers, youth workers etc where the age of consent is increased to 18 years of age, even if the child or young person no longer is under the adult's authority. Even at 18, if an adult with authority were to begin a consensual sexual relationship with the young person, it would still be statutory rape.
This is in place to prevent abuses of authority, although it is still imperfect.
I hear Woody Allen has bought the movie rights
Jeni. Where does the law stand if she is 16 and he is an ex-teacher on the sex offenders register?
If it's her ex-teacher then the law stands on her side.
Yep, Arthur is right again.
If she's 16, and NOT a former pupil of his, it would be legal although I would imagine that Social Services would keep an eye on things.
I can imagine the work sheets being handed out on the teacher-training course.
You are a male 22year old student teacher working in a mixed comprehensive and sixth-form college.
The Venn diagram below has overlapping circles titled 'Snog', 'Shag' and 'Avoid'.
Put the following pupils appropriately into the Venn diagram
Justin, an emotionally confident 17year old who captains the school rugby first XV and is resitting his GCSEs with the Year 11's you teach
Beatrice, 19, in your tutor group, who has left home and lives independently with her 2year old daughter from a previous relationship which caused her to take a one-year break from mainstream schooling
Hildegard, 17, the school caretaker's daughter who is not a pupil but works as a life-model for the A-Level art class you teach
Nigel, 23, who is attending evening classes you hold at the school to take a one-year A-Level photography course.
Hildegard is an interesting case. What does she look like?
I think Nigel would be a safe bet if that's your bag.
Beatrice because she is 19 it doesn't matter that you are her teacher but you'd probably be sacked anyway.
Hildegard is fair game as she is over 16 and effectively a work colleague not a student.
Justin is wrong on lots of levels.
Please forward my teaching certificate.
It's interesting how BJ assumes they'd all consent.
Fair enough Arthur: I had assumed that in this hyperthetical situation they would be consenting to the hyperthetical 22 year old student teacher.
Maybe I should have added that forcing yourself on any of them without their consent would be rape which probably trumps any other crime here. I just took that as a given.
I had also assumed it was a male hyperthetical 22 year old student teacher although that makes no difference at all other than the midly homophobic "if that's your bag" comment.
Given that we are hypothisising about the rights and wrongs of student teacher relationships I think its fair to assume consent. And given that it is a hyperthetical 22 year old student teacher we are considering I am not arrogantly assuming everyone wants to sleep with me; Although when I was younger, leaner and prettier this was something of a curse.
I also omited to say that getting your cock out in class is frowned upon.
By the way. If the teacher is female and has a relationship with female student under 18 how is statutory rape defined?
I've spent a lot of time watching videos on the question but I'm still not sure
Dunno how it's defined in England, but here if there was no consent, it's still rape.
We have cleverly worded legislation which covers almost every angle, if you pardon the pun, whereas I'm fairly sure that England hasn't defined it so broadly.
Best not to mention her name I suppose. But if you do know it, there are some cracking gags on the web.
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