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waylandsmithy
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Junket, you're far too eloquent for me. I've never witnessed such imaginative use of expletives. Truly, an orator of our time. But with written words.
I must ask a psychologist friend of mine about what makes people troll. And an English professor about verbalising 'troll'.
Ironduke
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There have been many discussions on here about what constitutes sufficient distance - personal, temporal- from a horrific event to enable japery to be comfortable- I think last cropped up for discussion after the Tsunami and after the Breivik massacre.
We wouldn't think twice about referencing the Black Death humorously, probably would about the Somme. Both tragedies; but differently distant. I'd certainly reference that King who was killed with a poker up his arse, but that must have been a particular internal tragedy for at least one person (in the heat of the moment).
Maybe someone could devise the formula for acceptable humour as proportional to time / personal connection- as Perks makes the point so pertinently.
Fundamental though- hang back from launching into 'pathetic' and getting hot under the collar. We've all tried an edgy joke sometime and wished we hadn't, or had made the angle clearer. The great thing about this site is you give your funny an airing, riff off others ideas (get me with the trendy language) but its all in fun.
I think the Dunblane massacre as well as the one in Hungerford are simply not comedic in any way. I regard jokes about 9/11 or the Holocaust in the same way.
Andy Murray was in the school at the time the massacre took place, so certainly he knows what can be comedic value or not with regards to this. I don't think he would think there's any.
Dunblane has had to live down the terrible events of that day which were due to just one mentally unbalanced pedophile. What can they do? What about the people of Hungerford - do they deserve it?
I mentioned Dunblane in my submission because Andy Murray comes from there only to get the Saltire "one star special". Big deal. But I didn't mention the massacre because I don't want to inflict pain on the innocent.
This site is about comedy, about satirizing real life with surrealism and just good humour.
There is a line of tastelessness and unfortunately DVO crashed right through it, which is a shame because DVO is generally pretty funny.
Come on people! There's a court case between two football multi-millionaires over whether one of them used a naughty word in the penalty box. It's got huge comedic potential.
And by the way Perks, knowing several dyslexics as I do, they've always found time to laugh at their condition.
junket56
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Perks: sorry but I turn off after your third or fourth word so can't do you the justice of a reply.
Smithy: I wish I hadn't bothered with you. Is that supposed to be a cutting riposte?
Dukey baby: stick to shoving your arm up cow's backsides. I'm sure you're good at that.
Ironduke
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Unfortunately I was pretty lousy at the cows bottoms thing, so I've had to switch to hip replacements and spinal surgery. There's a lot of wagging tails and smiling owners because of my work.
I've tried to present a balanced and reasoned discussion Junky old son; I fear you are stony ground and are merely looking for people to hurt.
In my experience you have to respect someone for their words to be able to hurt you; I'm afraid you don't even register.
grumblechops
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Hey junket, did you hear about the necrophiliac paedophile comedian? He made a dead child gag
Like I said, and was then proved by correct the number of replies to this thread, dvo's daring/misjudged gag was clearly something to do with maintaining a sense of proportion
Rowly
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Not for me either, so thumbs down,
By the Way
@Ironduke "I'd certainly reference that King who was killed with a poker up his arse, but that must have been a particular internal tragedy for at least one person (in the heat of the moment)."
This sort of reference should also be avoided, nothing against you, but every time I hear about it, it still makes my Sphincter twinge.
wallster
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Ooh, I love a good bandwagon, me. Here I go, jumping on.
I thought the original joke was rubbish and unfunny, but then I think a lot of the stuff posted hereabouts is rubbish and unfunny. I do have to bite my finger sometimes to stop it typing things that might ripple the Zen-like peace and serenity of the subs board. Of course everything I sub is brilliant and the height of comic genius. Goes without saying. Usually. (Bastards!).
However, I've noticed during the past 4 or 5 years that over-reacting and bandying abuse about are not among the best ways to win friends and influence people on this site. Neither is taking the bait and responding in kind (you know who you are). People do take their comedy rather seriously. Decent flounce though Junket, one of the better ones.
Right, time to jump off the bandwagon again. Here we go...Wheeeeeeee!
beau-jolly
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Federer won because he had better training financed by Nazi gold.
Clucksy
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Well I'm not one of the "pack" so am springing to nobody's defence one way or t'other. I am however a colleague of several Dunblane victims' parents and an ex-colleague of the son of one of the injured teachers.
I'm up for most sick jokes the same as the next person but I agree that some lines should NEVER be crossed. This is one of them. It's still too raw for me, the same as any 9/11 joke would be. I'm with Kimllfixit on this one.
Ironduke
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Few brief points:
I didn't find it funny either, but I believe the main thrust is pointing out the seemingly huge importance that has been granted to Murray and his efforts...it could as easily have been England reaching the final of Euro 2012 and losing.
That has then been juxtaposed with real news as though they were equivalent.
I just think it is really easy to wait for someone to post something that doesn't work, ignore what they were trying to achieve with the sub, take it completely literally , and then lay into them...and if that happens, it changes the nature of the site and makes it the preserve of safe, non-edgy material adn that would be a shame.
Several people have posted that this didn't work for them, kept it constructive, no pillorying. I really think that is the way to go.
And fairs fair, you can stick a poker up my virtual a*se if I'm wrong.
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