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Demand apology for Japan Disaster "Humour".


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  • Started 2 years ago by rikkor
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  1. rikkor

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    I stated in another place that I belive this sub is disgusting, and insulting to everyone who reads it or is involved in any way with NB. Please add on to this thread if you think those in charge at NB should apologize.

    I have no problem writing scathing comments to me fellow contributors, and I gladly take my due in return. But, just think if you or your family had just experienced death, destruction and the threat of being overdosed with radiation. You would not see the humour in this. I certianly don't.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  2. riesler

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    It's not what I considered the spirit of Newsbiscuit to be. I much preferred the old days of gentle satire.

    If you want 'edgy' (i.e. tasteless), there's plenty in The Daily Mash and Sickipedia.

    Am I right in guessing that our esteemed Editor doesn't have any missing relatives in Japan?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  3. be reasonable

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    Well said, Rikkor. It is exceptionally difficult to see the humour in this, I agree; there other ways to mock self-centred consumerism without tying it to death, grief and suffering on such a colossal scale. Or have we, as a culture, become so cruel that even the deaths of children are now seen as fit for 'post-modern irony' whatever that is? NB should withdraw the sub.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  4. rikkor

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    Thanks, BR. if you are on Facebook, please go there and (more)publicly shame the editors. I have.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  5. be reasonable

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    I Don't do facebook, -too old. And I don't have any friends. But I'm with you on this one.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  6. Oxbridge

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    The trouble with this line of thinking is two-fold, though in both ways it could potentially cut out all attempts at satire.

    Firstly, whilst the story certainly could not have been written without the earthquake and tsunami, that does not mean that it is making light of them. It is quite obviously about self-centred consumerists. I was amazed - but perhaps I shouldn't have been - to find out that there really have been threads on other sites along the lines that Charlie Brooker, whoops sorry Dark Bill, is satirising here.

    You could legitimately say 'OK but it's still too soon' and I'd have some sympathy, illogical and subjective though that way of looking at it is. Unfortunately, in the age of instant communication, you're fighting a losing battle. And it's pointless trying to be the arbiter of what is and isn't funny.

    Secondly, almost any satirical story is going to offend someone. There have been loads of send-ups of Al-Qaeda here, including some by me (vizt. 'Al-Qaeda to postpone terror attacks until after end of Strictly and X-Factor'). Would anyone who had lost a relative to Al-Qaeda terrorism find that funny? I doubt it. Do I find what Al-Qaeda actually does funny? No, of course not. As far as I know, no-one was mortally offended by that particular sub, but you could equally well do away with it and many others on the same basis.

    There's also an element of parochialism creeping in, along the lines of 'well it's OK for the Daily Mash, but not for NewsBiscuit'. Why? Is NewsBiscuit meant to be the PC satirical news website. That's, er, news to me.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  7. riesler

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    Parochial? It seems to me that this is just the way that NB had evolved - as an oasis of niceness in the dark, scary place that is the internet.

    I couldn't give a toss if Newsbiscuit became full of trolls and catered to a baser sense of humour, I just wouldn't choose to come by if it did.

    Just saying, is all...

    Posted 2 years ago #
  8. FormerlyAlOPecia

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    Japan. Apologies. Hmmm.

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  9. MADJEZ

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    Oh grow up Rikkor.

    Ok it’s not the funniest FP ever but why do we have to get so offended by this particular disaster/tragedy/loss of life. NB has taken the piss out of EVERYTHING and EVERYBODY (we’re all inclusive) you included so the moral outrage won't work chaps.

    If we have to start apologising we'll be here forever.

    Now let the abuse begin.
    But first let’s apologise to Haiti, New Zealand, New York, Cumbria, Michael Jackson, NASA, Libya, Egypt ……

    Posted 2 years ago #
  10. thisisall1word

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    I have pulled up people, and FPs, before for dodgyness and I was fully prepared to do the same here... except I then read the story and found it to be taking the piss out of unconcerned British consumers cold heartedly ignoring the plight of thousands for the sake of cheap goods. If I thought it was in any way taking the piss out of the Japanese then I'd say so, but I truly do not.

    Having said that, if you did find anything amusing in the story then I'm issuing a fatwah that you have to visit this link (or similar donation appeal) and send some money to people who are going to be helping make a lot of peoples live less appalling;
    http://www.redcross.org.uk/japantsunami/

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  11. Ironduke

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    I think the content is OK for the reasons stated above- its satiring the 'head-down consumerism' or ' how does this affect me?' attitude- the sub suggesting that the body count hit one when a british person was discovered lost did the same thing.

    However, I do think more of a delay in posting it would have been more appropriate.

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  12. The All New Jeni B

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    As I commented under the FB post, I overheard a conversation in the Students' Union to the effect of, "Better buy a 3D TV now, 'cause the Japanese are going to be too busy rebuilding houses and buildings and shit to build tech".

    To me, the FP is fine, it is clearly satirising exactly what it says it is satirising; the rampant consumerism and blatant self-centred attitude of some.

    If the time has come when we can't deride the sort of people who would value their home cinema systems higher than the tragic and appalling loss of lives in Japan, then I'm afraid that satire is truly dead.

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  13. rikkor

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    Satire isn't dead, but good writing is coughing up blood on this site.

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  14. The All New Jeni B

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    Not at all Rikkor.
    With no toadying intended, I was impressed with the quality of your piece which ended up as a fine FP, and there have been several NiBs lately that have made me guffaw loudly in the Uni library.
    I absolutely understand why today's FP made some, including yourself, uncomfortable, but personally feel that satire that makes us wince is doing exactly what it should be doing; challenging and confronting.

    There have undoubtedly been funnier FPs, but today's was still valid.

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  15. Golgo13

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    I wouldn't have gone anywhere near this topic. Personally. But I understand what the story is trying to do.

    I will do something to help the victims.

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  16. Ironduke

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    'Freed Lockerbie Bomber Develops "Really Bad Hangnail"'

    One of yours Rikkor. I think it illustrates this is merely a question of timescale. Your post pertains to the Lockerbie disaster twenty years previously, but someone who lost a relative in it and thought the perpetrator was escaping justice may well not find it amusing.

    When does a sad topic become open to satire? Is there a timescale? I did find the FP funny but I was a little uneasy at the timing; I found your Lockerbie bomber post funny and was not uncomfortable with the timing- so I guess there is a line somewhere between twenty five years and two days.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  17. Stan Laurel

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    There is no need to apologise for yesterday's FP. It was edgy but not making fun of the plight of the Japanese.

    If there was an apology, I'd be demanding an apology for the apology.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  18. be reasonable

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    "Grow up, Rikkor". Well, here's an anecdote about growing up. Back in the 70's punk-rock era, when I was a teenager, (and we used 'crass' as a slogan!) one of my classmates came into school wearing a badge stating 'the judges at Nuremburg had no sense of humour.' He thought it was funny, ('edgy' as it's described today) as did his mates.
    Our history master, who had been a tank commander in WW2, said nothing, but later showed us the episode of 'The World at War' about the holocaust, and gently pointed out that several members of staff and quite a few students were either holocaust survivors or the children of holocaust survivors.
    Later that week, that 14 year-old stood up in front of the whole school (700 people) and apologised, of his own volition.
    That, in my view, was maturity. It's one of the reasons why I don't (deliberately) do cruel humour, contenting myself with puns, word games and mild surrealism. What you do, you become.
    Now let the ad-hominem attacks begin.

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  19. Scroat

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    Bloody ad-hominems. Come over here, taking our jobs...

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  20. Gerontius

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    It seems modern satire is taking huge strides backwards.
    Now that the politicians, bankers, religious groups etc that were once the legitimate targets of satire now have no shame, no guilt, no apologies and no remorse the satirists are looking for new targets.
    Mostly it seems, the vulnerable, the weak and those unable to answer back.
    Big difference between gentle humour and bile.
    Satire only works if the intended targets actually care what is said about them.
    At least the topic has stirred the chat room into good natured and reasoned debate which can only be good.
    Opinion seems to be equally divided

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  21. The Paper Ostrich

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    I wouldn't say the only measure of satire is whether the subject cares, but either way I have to agree with those who say that the intended targets of this piece were NOT the victims of the Japan disaster, but the shallow consumerism of modern Britain and the parochial, panic-buying response the public often gives to events of huge human significance, in seeming ignorance of anything more meaningful. The quality of the satire is often in the accuracy of the reflection.

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  22. beau-jolly

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    Now this has all settled down a bit, can I use my Pearl Harbour joke?

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  23. Scroat

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    About it being a bit chilly, you mean?

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  24. Oxbridge

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    Crap film, deserves to be satirised mercilessly

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  25. rikkor

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    Ironduke, you are hopeless. The funny bit about the Lockerbie bomber with a hangnail is that he was let free by the Scottish "government" purportedly because he was going to die in about ten days. That was three years ago.

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  26. Ironduke

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    I don't think you've read all the post I made Rikkor, or you've missed my point entirely.

    Both posts related in some way to a tragedy. Both were intrinsically humorous. Neither specifically targeted the tragic event. Yours referenced a tragedy c.25years ago, and there was no feelign of discomfort reading it. The recent FP referenced a tragedy a few days ago, and there was a feeling of discomfort about it.

    Hence the final line..."so I guess there is a line somewhere between twenty five years and two days" for a comfortable period post-tragedy for satire to become 'comfortable'.

    The precise aspects or direction of your gag are irrelevant to the point being made.

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  27. beau-jolly

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    Hmmm! A massive loss of life, distruction on a biblical scale and radioactive fall out for many years...I guess its OK now to joke about the bombs dropped on Japan by sensitive Americans is it? Certain irony here as they wring their hands at the recent natural tragedy and conveniently fail to draw any parallel to the previous unatural disaster.

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  28. Oxbridge

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    No real parallel here IMHO. Dropping the atomic bombs, serious historians pretty much all agree, was by far the least horrific option for the US in 1945. An invasion or a blockade would have cost far, far more Japanese lives, never mind anyone else's. That doesn't rule it out as a subject for humour, if you like that sort of thing, but failure to mention it in this context hardly makes Rikkor a hypocrite either.

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  29. beau-jolly

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    Its an ill wind...
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366709/Japan-nuclear-emergency-Americans-panic-buy-anti-radiation-drugs.html

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  30. rikkor

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    Beau-jolly, instead of ending WWII in the Pacific with a bang, I wish we had sent both of your grandfathers in to slug it out with the ever-reasonable Japanese on their home turf. Then we would not have to read your pointless crap 65 years later.

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