My wife says this makes me a terrible person, but fuck it, I hope Trump dies. It would be one positive thing to come out of this whole mess. And I can't wait to find out how it's Obama or Biden's fault that he caught it.
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Posted 6 months ago #
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Be warned Pence is worse
Pence may be worse in his beliefs (easily done as Trump doesn't really have any beyond "how does this benefit me?"), but I think most of the damage Trump has done to society isn't through his actions as President, it's through his behaviour as President.
The "leader of the free world" has led a relentless personal attack on truth and decency. He's normalised and legitimised lying, bullying, cheating and division. That's what most of my issue with him is about.
Trying to destroy the planet through believing climate change is a hoax, and killing tens of thousands of his citizens by ignoring a pandemic are separate issues. Pence may not make those better, but at least the behaviour would improve a bit.
Plus, if it kills him nice and quickly it hands Biden the election, because Pence doesn't have the cult of personality that Trump has.
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Ratko Mladic was responsible for killing 8,300 people in Srebrenica, now imprisoned for life
Radovan Karadzic was charged with killing 7,500 Muslims, also imprisoned for life
Donald Trump easily exceeds both those
There would be a natural justice if Covid does for him, especially on behalf of Planet Earth
However, I think there will be a wave of sympathy among his supporters whatever happens - if he pulls through, he'll feel like a god, won't he? And if he loses the election, he can always blame the virus, and his supporters will say it's all unjust (irony!)
I can't agree with anything about Pence, but at least he hasn't got a portfolio of psychiatric conditions
The messy election just got worse. There will be a lot of unpleasantness
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VCG - "it's through his behaviour as President."
I absolutely agree. The actions are simply a manifestation of his behaviour.
The way he has behaved has completely diminished the office of a Head of State. It has undermined diplomacy, statesmanship and political engagement. I accept that how these issues are conducted get ingrained in a society and periodically we need a shake or upset to force us to re-assess ourselves. As one of my ancestors, Walter Hegel, so nearly said, "A small revolution, every so often, is good." But Trump has just thrown every accepted standard of developed social management out of the window. It will take our societies a long time to recover and re-learn civilised political administration. I fear that many people will assume that Trump's behaviour has now established a norm for everything from parish councils to nuclear negotiations. That is his worst legacy.Posted 6 months ago # -
Should the election be postponed for, say, a year? Potentially Trump could be in a coma and on a ventilator in 4 weeks time so can he really stand for election under those circumstances.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but whereas we vote for a party in our general elections, do the Americans vote for the person in the presidential election?
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Should the election be postponed for, say, a year?
Both the House and Senate would have to do that - very unlikely given the Democrat run House. However, if they did, Trump would no longer be President from noon on 20 January, 2021. Somewhat deliciously, if that did happen, Nancy Pelosi would become President, as Leader of the House.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but whereas we vote for a party in our general elections, do the Americans vote for the person in the presidential election?
True, but his name would remain on the ballot. If the winner of the general election dies before the Electoral College votes in December the electors would likely be expected to endorse whatever new nominee their national party selects as a replacement.
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many of his lies are because he can't be bothered to look up facts, or he can't remember the truth
I'm inclined to agree. He is impetuous, impulsive, impatient and at the same time, lazy. I'm not sure he has the intellectual capacity to deliberately concoct a systematic lie. As you say, he simply couldn't be bothered to find out what's actually true, and what is not. And hasn't got the moral integrity to care.
I imagine, at the moment, he is dithering between accusing the Democrats of deliberately infecting him with CV, or denying that he has CV, or denying that CV even exists. He is so inconsistent that he will probably claim all three things in rotating sequence.
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It takes an overwhelming national situation for the election to be postponed - not going to happen (unless Trump presses that Big Red Button on his way out)
If Trump is incapacitated or dead, Pence takes over until 20 Jan, and I think the Senate establishes a new temp VP
If Pence joins Trump on the banks of the Styx, then it would be great if Pelosi took over - she would be far better than Biden
As for candidacy, Pence does not become the new candidate, but does becomes the interim POTUS. The Republicans would have to elect a new candidate PDQ, who would then nominate a new running mate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession
Wouldn't it be wonderful if Pelosi, as President, had time to cancel some of Trump's environmental policies? Gaia in action
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(Just boringly adding to here as well)- in alignment with the 'faking it so can look like a Superhero / it's only like a cold' stunt; I believe he may be asymptomatic, only knowing he has it because he got tested after Hope Hicks was confirmed. I must admit, that has slightly taken the shine off my day- come on, symptoms!!!!
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Trump testing positive but having no symptoms, or only mild symptoms, would be devastating for Americans. He's been reluctant to try to protect people anyway, if he catches it and is absolutely fine then he's going to go full steam ahead with contesting any restrictions.
"I've had it, it was nothing. Anybody who has died from it must have been a loser. Reopen everything."
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