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Last breeding pair of Brexiteers to get round the clock protection. More soon.
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It's 1066 & Remainers rejoice: 'Yay! We've been campaigning for this ever since the Romans left and it's taken us 1,000 years but we always knew the Britons would eventually recognise their mistake, we would win and Europe would take over again'.
That's much better than the original :-)
Posted 6 months ago # -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfmAY6M6aA
Yeah, we'd never had had the Magna Carta without the EU. Or the right a fair trial. Or democracy. Or running water. Or parliamentary democracy. Or reading and writing. Or the wheel. We've got so much to be grateful for.
And look how effective the EU bureaucracy has been in combating the coronavirus crisis, or standing up to china.
How did the world manage to revolve, without the EU issuing a directive telling it to?
Posted 6 months ago # -
our elected MEPs
You mean, that list of candidates who were 'elected' en bloc, whose names I bet most voters don't even know without looking them up?
All you EU enthusiasts: without cheating by looking it up, write down who is / are your MEPs.
And then write down who is your MP.
How many of each have you met? Or had a conversation with? Or would recognise by sight? Or would regognise you by sight?
Posted 6 months ago # -
Ah, so you're anti-democracy today
Does that apply to the 2016 EU Referendum too ? You've previously insisted that was part of the democratic system, without any evidence
Or perhaps that's "different", by not being part of the 400-year established democratic system
You really should clarify which democracies you subscribe to, and which you don't, and (if it's not too much effort) explain why
Posted 6 months ago # -
How many of each have you met? Or had a conversation with? Or would recognise by sight? Or would regognise (sic) you by sight?
Well, as someone who isn't a star banger, name dropper or a great mixer then I wouldn't qualify for the list. I assume that you must have been bosom buddies with your own MEP and he no doubt appreciated your point of view...
Posted 6 months ago # -
look how effective the EU bureaucracy has been in combating the coronavirus crisis...
Yep, a Datapraxis and YouGov poll found that 63% of EU citizens "believed the pandemic showed the need for EU governments to act more cohesively".
Anyway, here is, as requested, a complete list (from memory) of the UK's MEPs:
But that aside, I think Titus is entirely right if he's saying that when only 34.6% of the electorate turn up to vote, a mere 21.5m, and there is low voter recognition or engagement with their representative, then it is no real reduction to democracy if that vote is done away with...that's what you're saying isn't it Titus?
Posted 6 months ago # -
All you EU enthusiasts: without cheating by looking it up, write down who is / are your MEPs.
I note a reluctance to accept my simple challenge.
Can't tell if you're being serious. You do know there are now no UK MEPs, right?
So I accepted your challenge,
Now, unless you feel you're special and wish to invalidate other people by avoiding answering their questions, you'd answer my question:
But that aside, I think Titus is entirely right if he's saying that when only 34.6% of the electorate turn up to vote, a mere 21.5m, and there is low voter recognition or engagement with their representative, then it is no real reduction to democracy if that vote is done away with...that's what you're saying isn't it Titus?
Posted 6 months ago # -
Once upon a time, in the days before Cameron, I'd probably have written off the EU bashing from Brexiters as futile whingeing. Credit where it is due, it was anything but. Lesson learned: futile whingeing can change the world. Keep up the futile whingeing people - look how cross the
Brexiters get about one little ticker: we've got them on the run!Posted 6 months ago # -
All you EU enthusiasts: without cheating by looking it up, write down who is / are your MEPs
Oh, if only there was some form of information network on which I could look this up - as and when needed / relevant - rather than committing the names to my ailing memory.
How many of each have you met? Or had a conversation with? Or would recognise by sight? Or would regognise you by sight?
By extension, does this mean that an interest in the operations of the county constabulary is deeply flawed by the fact that I cannot engage the Chief Constable with cries of "Oi, Oi, Olivia !"
Posted 6 months ago # -
I see you're reluctant, Titus, to confirm if the point your making is that when only 34.6% of the electorate turn up to vote, a mere 21.5m, and there is low voter recognition or engagement with their representative, then it is no real reduction to democracy if that vote is done away with...your silence implicitly demonstrates that you've so little confidence in your argument that you believe silence is the only way to avoid undermining it.
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