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Titus

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You lost the argument and lost the referendum.

Get over it.

Now, for the sake of your fellow citizens, stop sulking, stop bitching, stop endlessly slagging off the people who had the impertinence to have a different opinion to you and support the efforts to get the best possible terms for our newly-independent country.

NB is supposed to be 'the news before it happens', not 'endlessly raking over the coals long after it has happened'.

If you want to have a good laugh, to take the piss out of and to slag off anyone, pick on the idiots who thought that Corbyn would make a good party leader. (Not that the Labour party, it policies or its leadership actually matter in the slightest at present, but we may as well all enjoy a good snigger.)

Posted 3 years ago #
Sinnick

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We all lost, Titus, and maybe one day you'll figure that out

Posted 3 years ago #
KateWritesStuff

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That's it. I've had it. If one more person tells me to stop sulking, I am going to write an open letter. DON'T SAY I DIDN'T WARN YOU.

Posted 3 years ago #
Titus

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If that is what you believe, there is even less justification for sitting around whingeing about it and complaining that 'the wrong side won' and 'it's not fair'.

The Germans didn't do that after WWII and nor did the Japanese. They just got down to some hard work re-building their countries. And learned from their experience.

I look forward (not back) to a time, after the collapse of the ill-conceived and badly structured EU, when we eventually start building a much better structured and much more democratic system of exchange and dialogue between European nations. Just as the UN replaced the ill-fated League of Nations.

Posted 3 years ago #
S J Roe

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Few points: within the framework of democracy, this is not a done deal-it is an advisory referendum. Technically,they can go back on it on it so it is reasonable for bremainers to exploit that technical loophole.

Also, an idea doesn't stop being stupid because a majority says so. That applies to life as a rule on any subject. If a person feels strongly, I'd expect them to fight.

If remainers want to fight this, let them, I wouldn't expect anything else and, you know what, I' d respect the leavers to be doing all they could too if the boot were on other foot.

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Titus

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Hi Kate! Stop sulking.

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Sinnick

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Well said, Kate & SJ

Titus, I don't think we should be in the situation where we have to rebuild the country, do you ? The intelligent German & Japanese didn't want that, I'm sure

Posted 3 years ago #
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Did Titus just compare us to defeated Nazis? Don't tell Ken, he'll never be off here...

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Not Amused

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NB is supposed to be 'the news before it happens', not 'endlessly raking over the coals long after it has happened'.

11 out of the 30 conversations on the front page of the chat room were started by 'Titus' ... Primarily discussing the effects of what happened

Posted 3 years ago #
deceangli

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11 out of the 30 conversations on the front page of the chat room were started by 'Titus' ... Primarily discussing the effects of what happened

Typical bloody Remainer, obsessively quoting facts as if they have some kind of influence over an argument

Posted 3 years ago #
Oxbridge

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Or in other words, Titus, sane, rational British people should start identifying with British idiots rather than other sane, rational Europeans, right?

Tough ask right now. I'll get back to you on that one.

Posted 3 years ago #
Paddy Berzinski

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I reckon Titus copied and pasted that post from the comments section of the Daily Express.

Posted 3 years ago #
Scroat

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Apart from my Daily Mail reading, Fascist stepmother, everyone I know thought it was a no-brainer. We had to stay in Europe.

And please don't take me to task for using the F word. I'll call them Fascists if I want to, thank you very much.

The mess has been brought about by a bunch of political neanderthals. Get over it yourself Titus.

* blows huge raspberry *

Posted 3 years ago #
nickb

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...it's a triumph! The NHS starts getting the weekly £350 million promised er when?

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Titus

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Lovely to see this thread proving my point completely. Ten people so far continuing to cry into their meusli and to sulk. Not one of them suggesting a way of moving forward in the new (and in their opinion disastrous) situation or making the best of the situation.

Even from the intelligent people here, it's all 'Boo hoo it isn't FAIR, a majority of the people in Britain are stupid because they didn't have the same opinion as me'.

Like I said, get over it and start considering what's next, not looking back and wailing and gnashing your teeth.

You lost. Tough. I could just type 'Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah' but I find it more sensible to look to the future. How are we best going to get a competent new government and a competent new opposition, just for starters?

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S J Roe

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It is not about sulking,Titus, but if this IS a democracy then it is understandable that people may wish to find a way out within the rules of that democracy.Play it at its own game.

And I think some people here might be doing just that instead of just sulking.

I agree once all avenues have been explored and exhausted then it is time to face facts.

I would expect and respect brexiteers to do the same if boot on other foot.

Posted 3 years ago #
Titus

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Which public figure was sit who recently said, with regard to the referendum, 'You don't win people over by calling them morons for not agreeing with you'.

And neither can you win people over if you haven't bothered to find out why they have an opinion different to your own. In my case you can try wasting your time just screaming 'racist' at me, or instead you can learn what the historian Lord Peter Hennessy said about the history of the EU and its origins:

http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=101661

Posted 3 years ago #
Opinion Poll

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Stop it! Stop it! All of you!

Do the nation a patriotic favour and use your leftover foreign currency to buy some London stocks and shares. My pension depends on it.

Posted 3 years ago #
throngsman

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If your pension fund manager has done his/her job properly, they'll have stocked up with shares before the bounce. That's if Warren Buffett has left any to buy.

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Titus

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Do the nation a patriotic favour and use your leftover foreign currency to buy some London stocks and shares. My pension depends on it.

Well I shall probably sell a few £thousand of corporate bond funds and buy some FTSE tracker funds. All this headless chicken panic is an excellent buying opportunity.

Posted 3 years ago #
Sinnick

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"We do not necessarily have to use Article 50 - we may agree with the EU another path that is in both our interests" - from the Leave campaign website, which still bangs on about the (discredited) £350m savings

Nobody has called anybody on this website a racist, or even implied it. I'd be the first to shoot them down. However, there is no doubt that xenophobia & (to a lesser degree) racism are widespread in some parts of this country, esp away from the cities, and these people are quite unlikely to have voted "Remain". That grossly offensive attitude reflects on everyone in the UK

Both sides of the campaign have lied throughout, esp the Leave side, and this is far more than for a general election. Additionally, certain papers have exploited their readers to guide their votes for their own ends. This is unprofessional & blatantly manipulative by politicians & newspaper owners

And on the Remain side, nearly every professional organisation with any clout has said it would be a disaster to Leave, and they have obviously been proven right

The result of the referendum was very marginal, and just an official opinion poll with no legal authority.

And the end result is evidentially the most damaging event in this country since WWII, financially & reputationally. This is far worse than even the blind leaders of the Leave campaign had anticipated

And consider the effect on younger voters - those aged below 40 are "younger", not "young". They were strongly in favour of Remain, and the effects of this Referendum will be with them for the rest of their lives, and the older generation have voted against their own children. Sick.

And you seriously want us to shut up ? Do you want to withdraw freedom of speech, too ?It's not a game, Titus

Posted 3 years ago #
Titus

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Both sides of the campaign have lied throughout,

Yup. BOTH sides.

certain papers have exploited their readers to guide their votes for their own ends

Would you care to explain to us what these sinister 'own ends' are? sounds like tinfoil-hatism to me.

nearly every professional organisation with any clout has said it would be a disaster to Leave

No, many. Not 'nearly every'.

and they have obviously been proven right

Wot, after less than a week? Nah, there has been a lot of headless chicken, short-term panicmongering. Partly because people have told that it will be a disaster - just like shouting 'Fire!' in a crowded theatre. It's settling down already as wiser and calmer heads are taking a more adult view of the situation.

The current lack of a leader for either of Britain's two major political parties is having at least as great an unsettling effect.

the end result is evidentially the most damaging event in this country since WWII

More ludicrous hyperbole and panic-mongering.

And you seriously want us to shut up ? Do you want to withdraw freedom of speech, too ?

Nah, you just carry on whingeing and sulking, looking back, not forwards. Your privilege. Be content to betray yourself as one of the 'yesterday men'. Leave other, more courageous, positive and energetic people to take Britain forward, out into the wide world of international trade instead of hiding in a little (and shrinking, possibly collapsing) red-tape-strangled local club, with all its unnecessary extra layers of administration and with all its parasitic freeloaders.

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Well I think my job is in jeopardy as I work for an Italian company. Should I just shrug and accept it? Really?

Feel free to call it sulking, bitching, whining, whatever, and I'll happily accept an accusation of acting in my own blatant self-interest, but I will carry on campaigning.

Posted 3 years ago #
Rootin Tootin

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I don't think there is anything wrong with continuing a campaign for some sort of trade agreement or other types of links with the EU. But we just had a referendum about whether to actually leave the organisation and the vote was overwhelmingly LEAVE. I don't think its right to just demand another referendum just because the result didn't go the way you wanted. Say we had another referendum and a million people changed there vote and we decided to stay, what would stop the Brexiteers demanding a best out of 3 referendum. Ad nauseum.

And while we're at it, could we have a re-run of the last general election to give the Lib Dems another chance.

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Midfield Diamond

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Agree that more referendums (referenda?) would be just a huge waste of time and money, and solve nothing.

But the result wasn't overwhelming, was it? If a trade union had a ballot for strike action and 52% were in favour with 48% against, that is not a strong enough mandate for the union to go back to the employer and demand better pay/conditions/pensions; a 75/25 split for example would present a far more powerful argument that the employer would be more inclined to listen to.

It is the fact that the result is NOT overwhelmingly one way or the other that is causing all the whingeing (and it's coming equally from both sides as far as I can tell).

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Titus

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So, MD, you want Britain's national policy to change, in order to protect YOUR job? You could try looking for another job, or preparing for a move to Italy. Or recognise that much talk of lost jobs is scaremongering.

There was so much ludicrous Project Fear in the run-up to the referendum that many people are still indulging in it now.

You certainly won't diminish the possibility of jobs being endangered by Brexit by screaming 'We're all doomed! We'll all starve! Everything will collapse now that we're leaving the EU! BOO hoo, it isn't FAIR! We demand another referendum, and then another, till we get a result we like!'

I once had an excellent job with an American company for 10 years, and lost it (along with several thousand other UK employees) when the work was withdrawn back to America. So, of course, I immediately started campaigning for Britain to be an integral part of the USA and claiming that the entire nation would otherwise immediately become bankrupt.

No, I didn't really. I reluctantly accepted it and got another job.

How on Earth do you cope with general election results you don't like?

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Sinnick

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The margin was less than 4%, and even you've agreed that both sides lied their way through this

This isn't "just" a general election, it's a major constitutional change affecting every aspect of every UK person's lives, and it's just not right that it should be decided by such a small, ill-informed minority

On top of that, there's the press bias, the xenophobia, ignoring the overwhelming expert advice, the ongoing farce of Labour's leadership, and on top of that the 3 very dubious characters controlling it

That is not a healthy way to do this, is it? Even if it were the right decision, there should be clear, calmly reasoned evidence that it is so

So, I think there's obvious justification for people to be angry about the process as well as the result

And it really doesn't help for you, now that you've got your tidy pension & guaranteed income for the next years, to criticise those of us that are working hard, trying to salvage our own pensions & prepare our children for what could be a very dismal future

Posted 3 years ago #
ronseal

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Where are the jokes?

Obviously I only want to see jokes that confirm my own prejudices. Anything that doesn't just isn't funny. In fact, it's similar to a tactic used by [DING A LING! DING A LINK. WW2 ANALOGY ALERT!]

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Titus

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The margin was less than 4% ... a very dismal future

Wahey! The perfect "BOO HOO! It isn't FAIR! We're all DOOMED! I demand a recount!" post.

There you are, ron: you wanted a joke - enjoy!

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Rootin Tootin

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If I was a spin doctor, I could argue that the Leaves got 7.5% more votes than the Remains.

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