http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=57824 The NewsBiscuit Community en-US Wed, 22 May 2013 01:50:33 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/search.php http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=57824#post-168017 Thu, 14 Mar 2013 04:01:59 +0000 rickwestwell 168017@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Put simply - if Tesco don't know that there's horse in there, how can they know that there isn't shit in there? </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=57824#post-168008 Thu, 14 Mar 2013 02:00:50 +0000 thisisall1word 168008@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Just for info - horses sell cheaper than cows at present in the UK and many other EU countries - partly because they were not able to sell them for food - even France had been eating far less of the stuff.<br /> The meat is probably better than beef but that's to side step the issue.</p> <p>I have no issue with eating horse at all, they're not endangered and they'd be easy to farm in this country. I hold no truck with any sentiments about such animals, they are not humans or cats so they're fair game for burgers.</p> <p>I wouldn't worry about bute either. At least until we see John Gummer's Daughter stuffing her face with the stuff. In which case fucking panic. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=57824#post-168003 Thu, 14 Mar 2013 00:37:04 +0000 Sir Lupus 168003@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>For me, it's the "you don't know what you're eating" aspect of this issue that's important, and how it shows how ignorant we are of the global food industry. So much of it is a world away from Jeni's butcher who actually knows where what he sells comes from - but we don't like to think too hard about it, even after all the "school dinners" campaigns and local food stuff that's around these days. So we're astounded at revelations like this. I don't go for the "100% local" line - more local maybe, but good things come out of international food trade too, it just needs lots of work to make it better.</p> <p>Kind of on the same subject, the book "Fast Food Nation" is a great study of modern industrial food supply chains - and a much better read than that makes it sound! He goes to the farms where they raise the cattle and grow the potatoes, the processing plants where they turn them into burgers and fries, the outlets where they sell them, and - my favourite bit: the giant chemical plants where they make the taste! Cos after all that mushing and freezing, the burgers and fries don't taste of anything much - until they get a dose of magic "natural flavour". Unlike a lot of these sorts of campaigning books, he doesn't just bash the industry all the way, but tries to understand why the people in the industry do what they do, and appreciates the amazing side of it - as well as pointing out all the hazards to health, wealth and environment that the fast food industry represents. </p> <p>hmmm, I seem to have come over all Amazon reviews... </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=57824#post-168002 Thu, 14 Mar 2013 00:34:54 +0000 Ironduke 168002@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Go go Jeni B! It flared up for debate a year or two ago and died down again. No sellers particularly keen on mentioning 'slaughter', method or otherwise, on a packet of meat, in part...and also religious / minority sensitivity. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=57824#post-167997 Wed, 13 Mar 2013 23:54:51 +0000 The All New Jeni B 167997@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Thankfully, we tend to buy our meat from a local butcher who can tell me exactly where, and when it was slaughtered, and also which local far it came from.</p> <p>I don't buy frozen ready meals all too often, and those I do tend to also come from the local butcher (he also does a lovely line in pies).</p> <p>Surely if there is deference on the grounds of religion, it should apply both ways? And those who have a firmly held belief (doesn't have to be a religious belief to be covered by ECHR Rights) have the same consideration?</p> <p>Hmmmm, might be worth looking into that. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=57824#post-167992 Wed, 13 Mar 2013 23:45:57 +0000 Ironduke 167992@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Not hypocritical at all to eat meat but want the animals to be slaughtered humanely.</p> <p>There is massive wastage with Halal and Kosher; some cuts (possibly entire either forelimb or hindlimb, but don't quote me) and those unable to have large vessels removed economically, are rejected, some whole carcasses will be rejected for other bizarre reasons- including a nick on the blade used to slit the throat. They then directly enter the 'normal' food chain, without any seperate labelling.</p> <p>Any protests fall on the stony ground of religious deference. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=57824#post-167987 Wed, 13 Mar 2013 23:36:44 +0000 The All New Jeni B 167987@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>My issue with the 'horse-meat scandal' is this.</p> <p>I <em>choose</em> to eat beef, but I have never <u>chosen</u> to eat horse. If it were labelled as likely to contain horsemeat, or as 100% horsemeat then I would know to avoid it.</p> <p>Also, the reason that this is such a big deal isn't so much the inclusion of something other than beef, but the fact that meat which would be deemed unfit for human consumption in the UK is entering the foodchain.<br /> This meat may have been slaughtered inhumanely, in disgusting conditions and, more importantly, may contain a drug which is banned for human use. The long term effects of 'bute on humans is uncertain, but enough is known to be sure it's not terribly good for us.</p> <p>I'm also now concerned to hear that kosher and halal meat is included in with more humanely slaughtered meat as I would absolutely never choose to eat meat killed in such a manner.</p> <p>I know I'm a hypocrite to be worried about an animal's welfare when I'm just going to eat it, but I'd still rather that the living, breathing creature which it was has been treated in a slightly less horrific manner. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=57824#post-167983 Wed, 13 Mar 2013 23:32:07 +0000 Perks 167983@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>It is contamination. Contamination means something is in there that shouldn't be.</p> <p>That can be bacterial or physical. Horse meat in beef is physical contamination. If a product was supposed to be made with pure lamb and had mutton then yes, this would be referred to as contaminated. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=57824#post-167977 Wed, 13 Mar 2013 23:13:38 +0000 Titus 167977@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>@Ironduke: point taken - thanks. But horses, like cattle and sheep (and unlike pigs) are herbivores and graze.</p> <p>This is why I resent the BBC and others persistently referring to the inclusion of horse meat with beef as "contamination". Would they equally readily describe beef which included traces of mutton as "contaminated"?</p> <p>Horse meat is not, as far as I know, cheaper than beef so I don't know where the allegatioons of cost cutting come in. Far more important are the method of slaughter, general hygene, correct storage and handling and the absence of dirt, foreign bodies and insects and their larvae in the meat. The actual species of animal involved is far less important. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=57824#post-167971 Wed, 13 Mar 2013 22:39:43 +0000 Ironduke 167971@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>(Titus- horse not ruminant. Sorry, that kind of blurted out. Couldn't hold in any longer).</p> <p>Species of meat irrelevant to me. How it was killed far more significant- and black-market shady meat, was it killed humanely?</p> <p>However, we all eat halal/kosher slaughtered animals, unlabelled, because the wastage is massive and it would be uneconomically viable to label it as such because we wouldn't buy it and so kosher/halal would be astronomically expensive. this is dealt with by....ignoring it. So any meat eater, without any say in the matter, has stood a great chance of eating an animal that has had its throat slit and bled to death because it says its a good idea in a very old book. Incidentally, any animal NOT intended for halal/kosher has to be slaughtered properly and humanely...its just the leftovers of the halal/kosher trade that you are eating, adn you are not entitled to have any way of knowing. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=57824#post-167904 Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:24:44 +0000 thisisall1word 167904@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I've got mixed feeling about the whole issue.<br /> I think that it is of the utmost importance that food is labelled correctly, does not contain anything not listed, and most importantly is safe to everyone. I also believe that supermarkets, large companies, any company in genral which already makes a profit, should not push down it's buying costs to an extent where its suppliers can only meet such prices by cutting corners - and that such companies have an obligation to know where their products come from and can gaurentee the quality and safety. They simply cannot hide behind some siz degrees of separation arrangement where their suppliers suppliers uppliers uppliers supplier was to blame and no one 'up the chain.</p> <p>Having said all that, as a significant shareholder in Tesco, I believe that a company should be there to make money, and technically its not broken the law so we should all support them, shop there more than we do, campaign for them to pay less tax, and accuse anyone who thinks otherwise of fiddling with the market, being beurocratic bastards, and falling back on nanny-state-ism.<br /> Um. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=57824#post-167879 Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:18:39 +0000 beau-jolly 167879@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I wouldn't trust Tesco as far as I could spit. They move their buyers around and target the new boys and girls to increase profit. One day they'll be buying biscuits the next lasagne.<br /> As mentioned before, a couple of years ago 6% of all fish tested had DNA that was not the fish on the packet. Vietnamese Pollock substituted for Cod. No one gave a flying toss did they? Why are we surprised that they might do the same with other meats? When you constantly drive down cost something has to give. Apparently it's what we consumers want. So now it's our fault is it? </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=57824#post-167863 Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:44:20 +0000 Titus 167863@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>@Gerontius: perhaps they are trivialising it because it <em>is</em> trivial? I don't seem to remember many headlines reporting thousands of people (or hundreds, or actually anyone at all) dying, falling ill or suffering any ill-effects whatsoever from eating meat, some of which may have come from a different domesticated ruminant animal than that stated on the label.</p> <p>Nor is there evidence that TESCO or any other supermarket were aware that the meat products they had bought in good faith had been mis-labelled by the supplier. It might be worth producing evidence of such criminal conspiracy by the retailers if there is any, or finding yourself a good defence lawyer if there is not. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=57824#post-167813 Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:27:38 +0000 riesler 167813@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Now they have bought Giraffe Restaurants. Could just be a tall tale... </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=57824#post-167732 Wed, 13 Mar 2013 08:29:41 +0000 Gerontius 167732@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>They are trying to trivialise the disgusting part they played in the scandal by being wacky.<br /> Ahhh Tescos...what are they like. Duh !!<br /> How can you trivialise a Tesco own-brand lasagne?<br /> Animals have died so that we can eat a Tesco lasagne.<br /> Which ones we don't know.<br /> Cows must be shitting themselves now Tesco have been rumbled.<br /> No more dreaming about retiring to the Algarve or that little cottage in the country...it's the abattoir for you lot from now on. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=57824#post-167727 Wed, 13 Mar 2013 07:54:16 +0000 Squudge 167727@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I too have discovered rogue sprigs of purple sprouting broccoli among my greens. Do not think that you are alone. </p> <p>I did wonder about conspiracy, but then I saw that ribena advert where the cartoon berries commit heroic acts just for the chance of dying in our foodstuffs.</p> <p>It made me think, and I ate that bit of broccoli. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=57824#post-167697 Wed, 13 Mar 2013 00:30:07 +0000 thisisall1word 167697@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Pure Horse Meat.<br /> Contains fuck knows what in all honesty. Probably some horse, but, you know, your in the bargain section here so its all a bit of a lottery. Look, it tastes good and its not going to kill you right, so just close your eyes and enjoy whatever it is.</p> <p>I bought broccoli the other day. When I got it home I found a small piece of purple sprouting on the outside. I openly wept at the dinner table in front of my wife and kids. "How could they, how could they" kept going round and around my head. I'm sticking to fruit with wrappers, like long yellow things from here on in.<br /> <img src="http://www.ratemyfunnypictures.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/long-yellow-things-640x675.jpg"><br /> you've all seen that though... </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=57824#post-167687 Wed, 13 Mar 2013 00:02:20 +0000 Titus 167687@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I <em>like</em> horse meat. Why don't they just state the proportion of horse meat on the contents label? </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=57824#post-167686 Wed, 13 Mar 2013 00:01:23 +0000 Sir Lupus 167686@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>not belly laugh material, but I like it! I think another sub recently talked about people who don't understand "the horror of the 21st century", but perhaps this poem expresses that horror... </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=57824#post-167679 Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:53:30 +0000 Truebiscuit 167679@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Fucking lying twats<br /> Still padding burgers with ponies<br /> Every little helps </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=57824#post-167676 Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:49:26 +0000 Truebiscuit 167676@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Irony today<br /> More meatloaf made of horses<br /> Removed from fridges </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=57824#post-167672 Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:42:27 +0000 thisisall1word 167672@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>...anyway, just read some BBC article about the oddness of the Tesco apologies that appeared, maybe still are appearing, in newspapers... all very weird, but got me thinking about them this evening so am posting this so that I might not have to think about it any more.<br /> I'm not sure its funny. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=57824#post-167668 Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:39:18 +0000 thisisall1word 167668@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p><img src="http://thisisalloneword.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/bluline.jpg?w=755"><br /> In passing conversation the other day I turned<br /> My head away from you, stopped listening or<br /> Talking and stared at the poster that our line<br /> Manager had posted on the window between the<br /> Staff room and the customer toilets.<br /> "An Apology"<br /> It said.</p> <p>There were no other information, just those two<br /> Words in faded blood red under the dull series<br /> Of blue dashes.</p> <p>For the rest of the week, while I replenished<br /> The stock on the canned goods aisles, mopped<br /> Up spilt wine near the frozen goods section<br /> While Kevin was on lunch, and labelled the<br /> Meats close to their best before date as<br /> Half price, for the rest of that week I just<br /> Stared at customers, not saying a word except<br /> For when they were<br /> Nearly<br /> Out of ear shot<br /> And at that point I would whisper sorry to<br /> Every single one of them.</p> <p>When Martin is locking up I sometimes take a<br /> Few of the canned pears without paying.<br /> I like those. And I'm not sure it matters<br /> Anymore. </p>