http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449 The NewsBiscuit Community en-US Sat, 25 May 2013 04:55:29 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/search.php http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154649 Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:13:42 +0000 Al OPecia 154649@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Aren't the most idealistic politicians the least effective? Not sure where that leaves us. Except when there's a war on, or unless they are Maggie Thatcher Milk Snatcher. Just a thought. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154643 Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:57:39 +0000 Lucy4 154643@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>No, I can't spare 10 minutes but here's a shiny sixpence young man. Now be on your way and have a merry Christmas. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154614 Thu, 20 Dec 2012 13:12:29 +0000 Vertically Challenged Giant 154614@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Gerontius – No. No I can’t, not right now. But thanks for asking. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154606 Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:58:53 +0000 beau-jolly 154606@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Gero: I had a cigar a few years ago and was back on 40 Marlboro within the week. All or nothing I'm afraid. At the moment its nothing.<br /> wrt Claret. Lots of lovely stuff all at outrageous prices! </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154492 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 20:34:19 +0000 Squudge 154492@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>mm... better use a practical fabric, no 'dry clean only' </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154481 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:57:18 +0000 Gerontius 154481@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Nice scarf BJ...I'd be in for one.<br /> BTW...have you got any irresistible offers on at the moment...claret wise?<br /> I'd love one of your Havana cigars but I dare not.<br /> That's how I got back on the ready-rubbed last time.<br /> In answer to Wayland's enquiry, I rather fear the poor scarf would be covered in spunk. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154477 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:41:56 +0000 waylandsmithy 154477@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>B-J, maybe you could overlay a chart over your graphic, that shows when all our money got spunked up the wall? </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154463 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:16:04 +0000 beau-jolly 154463@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Yeh, I did concider a scarf or tie. I just think its a nice design and a good talking point - if you want to talk politics. Title needs some work - see edit above </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154462 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:12:14 +0000 Squudge 154462@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>a fetching scarf perhaps? </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154460 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:08:37 +0000 beau-jolly 154460@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Quite proud of this. Any ideas about how I can exploit the pattern gratefully received (and possibly shared although it remains my copyright and registered design)<br /> <img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8345/8287242849_a299297a35_b.jpg"></p> <p>The title is such because there have been a few coalitians and until the 1900s the term "Prime Minister" was derogatory. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154446 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:24:14 +0000 beau-jolly 154446@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Blair/Brown's "New Labour" were in power for quite a while. The actual Labour party has had sod all time in power since its inception. The founder and first leader used to pop over to the states for a sex holiday as often as possible and died of a sex related illness (or did I just make that up?) Wilson was supposedly in Moscow's pocket during the 60s. Who else was there? Oh yes Callahan. No one had a long tenure in those days until Mrs. T.<br /> I once plotted a sort of barcode timeline of all the occupants of No10. It is mainly orange. </p> <p>Like many since, the Right Honorable Anthony Wedgewood-Benn had the great good fortune to be sufficietly privileged and well educated to be able to afford to be a socialist. Most people have to work for a living. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154426 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 12:52:01 +0000 Gerontius 154426@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>That's a fair point Oxy.<br /> He probably did as much as anybody to bring in the Thatcher era.<br /> But I do think the average 'man-in-the-street' is a bit more politically savvy than he/she was back then.<br /> They don't vote because there is nothing to vote for.<br /> You couldn't get a fag-paper between the two main parties anymore<br /> The current Labour are clearly terrified of advocating anything even vaguely leftist.<br /> It will take a brave leader to take them down that route.<br /> But I do think there is an appetite for it once again.<br /> UKIP are gathering momentum with their right-wing agenda.<br /> If Labour were brave enough they could do the same by heading in the other direction.<br /> Tom Watson please. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154420 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 12:15:11 +0000 Ironduke 154420@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>It would be nice if politics was full of ideals rather than soundbites, and Benn is an idealist. </p> <p>I would pay good money to listen to him and Tebbit have a ding-dong around a fireside.</p> <p>If politicians would break the mould and stand up for genuine principles rather than the current haggling of £50 a year up for this couple versus a penny in the pound off for this chap, then electoral turnout would soar as people actually felt there was a choice before them. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154417 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 11:50:22 +0000 Oxbridge 154417@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>OK, I didn't spot that Blair wasn't joking until a bit too late. But the point stands. Benn's antics wrecked what was already the most left-wing mainstream party platform ever put forward in this country. That the lurch back also went too far isn't totally down to him, but might not have happened quite so drastically but for him. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154410 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 11:13:08 +0000 sigmund 154410@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Sorry to wee on the firework, but my dad was an active labour supporter in the 60’s; he was so disappointed when this class warrior arrived at the edge of town in his Bentley and transferred to my dad’s Hillman, so as to arrive at the party meeting in a ‘suitable' fashion. Hypocrite. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154403 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 10:44:42 +0000 Qoxiivi 154403@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Yeah, Oxbridge, thank fuck Tony Blair came along and turned Labour into the Conservatives so that we could get the Conservatives out... </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154398 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 10:17:18 +0000 Tripod 154398@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>I'll no more mourn him when he goes than I will Thatcher.</blockquote></p> <p>As far as I'm concerned, he's one of the 'good guys'. I'm not sure that there's any room, in the politics of today, for people like him (or, indeed, for anyone who attempts to see further than the next election). The government of the day always seems to be reacting to events rather than offering genuine, long-term leadership. I suppose that's the price we pay for democracy... </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154394 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:37:08 +0000 Oxbridge 154394@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>He single-handedly made Labour unelectable for 15 years with his posturing. I'll no more mourn him when he goes than I will Thatcher. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154377 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 08:45:41 +0000 Squudge 154377@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I now have more respect for both Tony Benn and Maggie Thatcher</p> <p>Thanks for posting G. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154362 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 06:12:34 +0000 dvo4fun 154362@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Seen him 'live' a couple of times. Once at a lunchtime free gig in Uxbridge; amongst various topics covered tears ran gently down his cheeks as he offered an alternative to the mass media take on numbers of uninvolved Iraqi casulties of 'precision bombing' of Iraq during GulfWar1.<br /> Then many years later on stage [he was prmoting his autobiography I think) TB on stage with a Ronnie Corbet style set; a comfy chair and thermos flask of tea, taking questions from the audience.</p> <p>Hugely impressed both times, with his wit, compassion and analysis. </p> <p>Hold on which thread is this? He hasn't died has he? </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154337 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 23:51:49 +0000 medici2471 154337@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>As a student I read the papers, watched TV and accepted the received wisdom that Tony Benn was a nutcase. Maggie had crushed the miners and won the Falklands War, I was a young white, healthy, aspiring professional; that was our time, the world was ours for the taking, fuck the rest. Then I found myself on a train to London sitting across the aisle from Tony Benn and his 'interns' for a couple of hours. I just listened, to an intelligent, articulate man. Clearly not mad, just with a different view. How could I have been so stupid, so naive? He opened my eyes, not to accept his views but to realise that there are other valid opinions... </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154288 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 19:53:00 +0000 Tess Goes 154288@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Blimey !<br /> A Politician speaking sense !<br /> Trouble is nowadays we're up the creek without a paddle, and the two main parties are full of shite.<br /> UKIP for me. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154286 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 19:24:42 +0000 waylandsmithy 154286@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>He talks complete bollocks, but he says it beautifully. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154285 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 19:23:31 +0000 antharrison 154285@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I agree. He is a genius with an incredible knowledge of history. He was on Newsnight a few years ago and someone started arguing with him. The demolotion of his adversary was swift and intellectually powerful. I also used to think he was a left wing nutter, but I never listened to what he had to say until a few years ago. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154283 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 19:16:38 +0000 rikkor 154283@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>(Attempt to delete repeat.) </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154282 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 19:16:07 +0000 rikkor 154282@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>10 minutes? I thought we were going to have sex. At least once, if not twice. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154258 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 17:42:19 +0000 pinxit 154258@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Thank you Gerontius. He's not the Messiah, he's still a very naughty boy - and brilliant with it.</p> <p>(Red) Stars. =] </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154251 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 17:16:04 +0000 malgor 154251@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Thanks for putting that up, Gerontius. I was lucky enough to meet TB in about 1967. I was visiting a friend in Bristol, whose dad had recently become a Labour MP and who should walk in but the man himself. He has not changed one little bit, nor has his brilliant 10-minute introduction to politics. He looked me in the eye and gave me the benefit of those wise words, almost verbatim with those in the video. I found him truly inspiring and will always remember that chance meeting, which changed the direction of my life. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53449#post-154240 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:17:36 +0000 Gerontius 154240@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Enjoy this with your first cocktail of the evening.<br /> When I was young I thought this man was mad.<br /> Now I am approaching advanced middle age I can see that it's everybody else who is mad.<br /> National Treasure<br /> Wish I'd listened more closely 30-40 years ago<br /> Still....it's not too late.<br /> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqq3a0c_ROk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqq3a0c_ROk</a> </p>