http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394 The NewsBiscuit Community en-US Fri, 24 May 2013 14:10:09 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/search.php http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394&page=2#post-154586 Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:58:15 +0000 waylandsmithy 154586@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>JohnA, your 'keeping kids off the street' comment was the only sick joke I've heard about this case, so well done on being a massive hypocrite. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394&page=2#post-154585 Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:54:35 +0000 Al OPecia 154585@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>If you had any reasonable debate to offer us Johnners, we'd be happy to join in, but since your basic standpoint is "I don't care what you say, I'm right, here are some more out of date or irrelevant facts" people resort to calling you a moron because:</p> <p>1 It's pointless arguing with you; and,<br /> 2 You are. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394&page=2#post-154584 Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:53:50 +0000 Bourbon 154584@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Sorry JohnA. Forgot to ask. Do you like biscuits? </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394&page=2#post-154579 Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:42:57 +0000 Bourbon 154579@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Well done. About 200 words of you completely missing the point, and proving my point at the same time.</p> <p> Using the images of those children against the gun that killed is not satire. It is sick. And like you not funny. Nothing to do with political correctness, but a limit of taste. </p> <p> But in you lovely well thought out piece of bollocks you do what you do best. If you read perks' piece, the underlying point is the ridiculas ways we can indroduce more guns to protect. That is satirising the issue. And there are enough comments to say he may have got it right.</p> <p> But you seem to have this warped idea of comedy that means you have a believe your view is the only valid one on the genre. If I was wrong you would have said you didn't find it funny. </p> <p>But you will now continue to say I'm wrong and you're right. I tell you what John old boy. Let put a pic of some of Saviles victims next to a pic of him touching himself saying now then now then now then. I'm sure you will find that hilarious.</p> <p>I stick by everything I said before. You may not be a prick, but you do a very good job of coming across as one </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394&page=2#post-154568 Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:44:18 +0000 JohnA 154568@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Oh puleeze Bourbon you're trying so hard to be politically correct, you've forgotten how to be satirical. Or even funny. Or even human. How would you know the difference between satire and "classless humour"?</p> <p>The entire point is that America's willingness to accept firearms to be owned by anybody, means that innocents will be killed because "anybody" means psychopaths (like Adam Lanza), the seriously mentally ill, hoodlums and drug addicts.</p> <p>John Oliver (Brit on "The Today Show with Jon Stewart") put it this way:</p> <p><img src="http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/guns-shooting-vs-shoe-terrorist-John-Oliver.jpg"></p> <p>Which means the insanity will continue.</p> <p>As I said there is nothing humorous about the killings of those children, and as a parent of young children myself, I couldn't even bring myself to watch a video montage of the children on the BBC website because it was too upsetting.</p> <p>But there is plenty of satire in mocking the pretentions of arms manufacturers that their machines of death are badges of masculinity without any reference to the obvious consequences of their manufacture and sale.</p> <p>Perks has <a href="http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53442">had a go at the NRA</a>. Unfortunately (and unusually for Perks) it was overlong, unfocussed and most of all unfunny. It neither skewered what the NRA really stands for nor satirized them in a recognizable way, because satire involves actual investigation of what the target actually believes or says.</p> <p>But this is why I don't bother interacting with NB any more, because instead of attacking an argument with reasonable responses, some NB commenters just resort to personal abuse, probably because they can't manage the tough stuff of reasoned debate or challenges to their fuzzy thinking. </p> <p>Or maybe this place is just full of unfunny cunts, whose sole idea of biting satire is mocking the Isle of Wight. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394&page=2#post-154528 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 23:47:25 +0000 Quaz 154528@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Explaining to your worried kids that they are far less likely to be shot at school than someone from a country that allows people to own assault rifles is not fun. Some subjects of satire are best approached with sensitivity, and maybe a little distance in time. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394&page=2#post-154525 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 23:10:37 +0000 Bourbon 154525@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Ladies and gentlemen of the chat room, I can only apologise for the below.</p> <p>JohnA, are you really that much of a prick. THAT is not satire, that's classless humour that you will no doubt think is edgy you fucking moron. How is using the images of murdered children in Any way satire. I can't help bit think you come on here to tell everyone else there not funny, share your pearls of comic wisdom, and then post shit like the above. I did bump a sub of your subs yesterday. It was tagged with flounce because you had a little tantrum because noone commented. There's a reason for that. Your not funny and the above has just proven that you knob.</p> <p> You've been away for a while, why not fuck off again. Save you a bit of time, I'll let everyone know they're shit for you. Wanker </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394&page=2#post-154523 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 22:51:32 +0000 Perks 154523@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I don't think anyone, apart from johnA's suggestions , have overstepped the mark. The NRAs position is there for satirising. But there should be no blanket ban in a subject </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394&page=2#post-154518 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 22:37:28 +0000 antharrison 154518@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I suggest we call an amnesty and no more arguing. I spent the day I wrote my initial comment at a family funeral and was feeling a bit sensitive as to the treatment of death, but I stand by what I wrote. STOP. Please. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394&page=2#post-154476 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:39:36 +0000 waylandsmithy 154476@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>That clears that up then: the only satire to be had from the tragedy is pre-approved satire from JohnA. I thought it might be a bit crass to use the images of dead kids to make a political point, but each to their own. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394&page=2#post-154473 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:09:51 +0000 Ironduke 154473@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>..and you can just imagine the emergency 'damage limitation' meetings being held in the boardrooms of bushmaster et al</p> <p>Gerry, I was an 18year old skint student. Lunch did follow, at an Italian. She'd stopped bleeding by then, but I have to admit it still cast something of a cloud and ardour went unrewarded. We'd done culture anyway, when I'd tried to take her to a Def Leppard concert (her Dad prohibited). Why am I revisiting this? </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394&page=2#post-154443 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:56:55 +0000 JohnA 154443@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>There is no humour in the senseless killing of 6 year olds in a school.</p> <p>There is plenty of satire to be had from the advertising of the gun used by the killer:</p> <p><img src="https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7d_wyZgTpiKlexwX1AN_TCUp-UIdA1YPumRQPfXbrpnyrgWzn"></p> <p>For example, if I had l33t Photoshop skillz, then I'd put a montage of all of the children killed together with the Bushmaster logo and "Your Man Card has been reissued" slogan. THAT would be satire.</p> <p>Or a picture of the school with a strapline of "Bushmaster: Ask about our childcare program" or "The 2nd Amendment: Keeping kids off the streets since 1788" </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394&page=2#post-154431 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:10:53 +0000 Gerontius 154431@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Wined &amp; dined in one of London's top restaurants, maybe take in a west-end show or go see the new Caravaggio exhibition at the RA...or what about an open top tour of the city<br /> Er....No....I thought we might go and feed the squirrels.<br /> Nice one Duke<br /> You old romantic </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394#post-154419 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 12:05:57 +0000 Ironduke 154419@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Just like the movies, Tripod...the good guy is only winged, back up for the next episode.</p> <p>Dvo, you're right, Vets do have the highest suicide rate which includes an old friend of mine. I suspect dark thoughts cross many people's minds, but not all are as experienced at delivering a swift and comfortable end as we are- so no hunting for a bridge or a train, its actually a lot simpler and immediate to perform. We also work shite hours for moderate income with a very demanding public who think we're a bunch of robbing bastards and it does get you down. </p> <p>I took a girl on a date to Hyde Park, feeding the squirrels (not a euphemism). Imaginative and thoughtful, I felt, and coincidentally cheap (1 pack of monkey nuts). One of the little buggers bit her finger. There were tears. Make it slow, Tripod, make it slow.... </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394#post-154334 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 23:28:31 +0000 Tripod 154334@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>Ironduke ... ? </blockquote></p> <p>I shot him. He begged for a merciful release.<br /> Right... I'm off to strangle a squirrel. I'll try to enjoy it... </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394#post-154332 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 23:14:14 +0000 dvo4fun 154332@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>So (extrapolating wildly) it's not that US chaps are more likely to shoot each other, rather that it's the availability of guns which is the important factor. </p> <p>Digging in the recesses of the mind I seem to recall being told that when UK moved over to 'North Sea'/ 'Natural' gas the incidence of suicide dropped; the shiny new stuff being nicely explosive but not noxious. </p> <p>Limit the availability, limit the 'quick choice' to kill oneself or others. </p> <p>I understand that vets have amongst the highest suicide rates due to the easy access to death rays - or something like that. Is that right ironduke?</p> <p>Ironduke ... ? </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394#post-154320 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:33:37 +0000 Username 154320@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I had too much time on my hands yesterday, so I went to wikipedia and looked up two things:<br /> - the number of guns per person in a whole lot of countries, and,<br /> - the number of gun-related deaths in those countries.</p> <p>but then didn't know what to do next.</p> <p>The ratio between these numbers tells you roughly how dangerous is a gun is in any poarticular country), but this figure is pretty much the same for America and most traditional European countries, which surprised me, to say the least. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394#post-154318 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:29:30 +0000 waylandsmithy 154318@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>what if you shoot animals out of necessity, but you also enjoy it? Is that OK?</p> <p>We live in a very sanitized world, I have nothing against most hunting. But hunting doesn't need rapid-fire assault weapons.</p> <p>Gun control is a slightly greyer area than the press would have it, but it's ridiculous to let people own military grade weaponry. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394#post-154316 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:23:07 +0000 Gerontius 154316@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Er...it was meant to be ironic<br /> Clearly not....or nor clearly not in this case. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394#post-154313 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:18:58 +0000 The All New Jeni B 154313@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I agree Squudge. I have a slight problem with concept of shooting any other living thing for 'sport'.</p> <p>Food, as a necessity, yes. For fun? No.</p> <p>Having said that, I found myself getting a bit crazed when I went paint-balling, I was rolling around like Rambo. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394#post-154301 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 21:11:39 +0000 Squudge 154301@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I'm not sure about the 'killing wild animals' part either. But maybe that is just me</p> <p>If you live in Alaska and <strong>need</strong> a rifle for food, or self defence from bears ...that is not quite the same as 'sport'. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394#post-154243 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:53:37 +0000 Gerontius 154243@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>To be fair, most sane, intelligent, level-headed Americans only use their guns to go out killing wild animals in the woods.<br /> It's only the mentally deranged who turn their guns on fellow humans. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394#post-154195 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 12:31:03 +0000 Perks 154195@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Spot on. The NiB highlights the stance of "if the teachers had guns, this would not have happened". The NiB takes that ridiculas idea to the limit for the sake of ridicule. Would be interested on the views of the professionals who work on the site? </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394#post-154187 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 12:18:11 +0000 Vertically Challenged Giant 154187@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>A sub that mentions an incident like this is very different to a sub mocking an incident like this.</p> <p>Some people will get as far as reading a reference to Sandy Hook in a comedy article and instantly feel that it’s “over the line”, with no real interest in what the sub says or what point it is trying to make.</p> <p>People often take the piss out of Wikipedia, but the first paragraph of its definition of satire is pretty good:</p> <p>“Satire is a genre of literature, and sometimes graphic and performing arts, in which vices, follies, abuses, and shortcomings are held up to ridicule, ideally with the intent of shaming individuals, and society itself, into improvement. Although satire is usually meant to be funny, its greater purpose is often constructive social criticism, using wit as a weapon.”</p> <p>Nobody is ridiculing the actual events, people are ridiculing the reaction of certain sections of society, i.e. those more concerned that somebody may now try to take their guns off them in the wake of this tragedy than they are about those that lost their lives. Personally I think those people are a fair target. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394#post-154186 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 12:16:47 +0000 Perks 154186@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I would argue that even natural disasters have an angle. For example 'Superstorm Sandy' had a devestaing effect on lives and killed. But the reaction of the media when it was going to hit NY was far from the lack of reporting when it hit the carrabian, where I believe it killed many more.</p> <p> The actual event may be off limits, but the issues it throws up arguably need to be satirised to make a point.<br /> If you make the points about the NRA in a month, I think you would lose the point. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394#post-154183 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 11:52:31 +0000 Tripod 154183@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>One Yank (or Brit) = ten Belgians = a thousand Afghanis.</p> <p>Hypocrisy is alive and well in the western world. Personally, I thought the 21-gun salute in Newtown last night, "for the children" was going too far, but, well, sometimes the American way of life is beyond parody. </p> <p>I don't much care for lone gunmen, or serial killers, or kids being shot, or guns being freely available to all-comers, or the sight of Americans trying their damndest to reconcile the 'right to bear arms', in a supposedly civilised democracy in 2012. </p> <p>There is room for satire, of course there is, and the target is big... and, anyway, I don't much care, either, for being told that a subject is "off limits". But anyone who <em>does</em> post a sub will have to make sure the target is hit, and isn't just 'friendly fire' (my least favourite US phrase, along with 'collateral damage')... </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394#post-154181 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 11:48:30 +0000 waylandsmithy 154181@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I'm with Carter. It would be hard to take the piss out of a deadly hurricane. It's actually pretty easy to find an angle on this, with whacko nut jobs claiming the answer to these tragedies is MORE GUNS. </p> <p>The news claimed gun sales were at a 20 year high in the US yesterday. I don't think we're doing a good job if we don't try and tackle hard issues, but you have to be really careful about being precise in who you <strike>target aim your si</strike> criticise. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394#post-154180 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 11:46:46 +0000 Dickens or Shakespeare 154180@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>This website is supposedly aimed at "providing a daily dose of humour". Can't see any humour in the events that have unfolded at Sandy Hook and believe we should keep well away. </p> <p>That includes the recent NiB. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394#post-154178 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 11:22:38 +0000 Nowherefast 154178@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>No dissent here. I will add though, 22 people (including many children) stabbed by a mentally deranged man at the gates of a primary school in China last week yet very little said in the news about it, No public scrutiny, follow up or debate as a consequence. My mention of this isn't intended in anyway to undermine the horror and my inadequately expressed sorrow at the evil slaughter of children in Sandy Hook. I'm not exactly sure of the point I'm trying to make here, other than to provoke thought, but it does seem that when a human inflicted tragedy of this nature occurs in America or close to home we get collectively worked up about it and start wearing hair shirts. When a similar event, often equally as horrendous in intent and traumatic in consequence to those involved, occurs elsewhere in the world it becomes second page news and we acknowledge it's awfulness, shrug, and go back to our cornflakes. Isn't it a kind of hypocrisy? (and I acknowledge my own guilt in this regard) </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=53394#post-154157 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 09:14:23 +0000 Scroat 154157@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>What Sinnick said. The US attitude to weaponry is the real target, but a suitable interval needs to have elapsed, out of respect for those who died. Christmas is often a difficult time for lots of people, but in Sandy Hook it will be forever blighted for the whole community. Words don't really cover it. </p>