http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=51259 The NewsBiscuit Community en-US Thu, 20 Jun 2013 03:53:07 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/search.php http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=51259#post-147689 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 19:45:19 +0000 Dick Everyman 147689@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I still blame Jimmy Savile </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=51259#post-147684 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 19:28:43 +0000 rikkor 147684@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>ID, you are right. We have 10 million newspapers and cable TV channels here. They have to fill up the space somehow. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=51259#post-147672 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 18:22:40 +0000 Lucy4 147672@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>It's against the law for the indigenous population to be racist but no one ever seems to bother checking whether the immigrants are. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=51259#post-147671 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 17:50:42 +0000 Ironduke 147671@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>My point is I wouldn't presume that all black people or all women or all gay people have the same politics, or would all act in a smiilar way, defined or categorised by their race or religion or sexuality. Perhaps I'm mightily naive in that; but a lot of the comments seemed to be along the lines of the blacks will vote for the black guy and the whites will vote for the white guy (so presumably if either strapped a gay latino woman on for vice-president, then they'd be laughing?). </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=51259#post-147658 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 17:01:31 +0000 Sinnick 147658@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>It's easy to pick out exceptions when throwing around statistics. And, I fully agree that there are plenty of differences between our mixed cultures.</p> <p>However, I don't think we're so far different. The population of US is 72% European-white. Can you state that anything approaching 28% of top admin jobs go to non-European whites ? Can you state that 72% of burger-flippers &amp; cleaners are indeed European-whites ?</p> <p>We have the same imbalance here, as you rightly point out. It needs time.</p> <p>And you don't have a vote for president, either. You vote for your state to vote for president. Is there any point whatsoever in a Texas resident voting for a Democrat president, for example ?</p> <p>Maybe I shouldn't have made a sweeping statement about cleaners, though. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=51259#post-147636 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 15:16:18 +0000 rikkor 147636@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Sinnick, who is president, who owns her own TV network (Oprah)? Every major company in the US trips over themselves to have minority representation in the top and middle ranks.</p> <p>In other words, puh-leeze. I love England, but, it has a much longer colonial and racist history than the US. You've all got collective amnesia about it, that's all. Very much like "Vut? Me ein nazi?" in Germany and Austria after WWII.</p> <p>And ID's original thesis is not valid, as there is no such thing as a vote for Prime Minister in England. It's a vote for a party member in order to have a majority in Parliament. Very different. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=51259#post-147635 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 15:12:12 +0000 rikkor 147635@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Sinnick, who is president, who owns her own TV network (Oprah)? Every major company in the US trips over themselves to have minority representation in the top and middle ranks.</p> <p>In other words, puh-leeze. I love England, but, it has a much longer colonial and racist history than the US. You've all got collective amnesia about it, that's all. Very much like "Vut? Me ein nazi?" in Germany and Austria after WWII.</p> <p>And ID's original thesis is not valid, as there is no such thing as a vote for Prime Minister in England. It's a vote for a party member in order to have a majority in Parliament. Very different. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=51259#post-147631 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:50:19 +0000 Gerontius 147631@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>My attempt was a bit clumsy.<br /> But what I was trying to say was that Americans seem perfectly happy to use their ethnic origin or background as a reference point - whereas we are made to feel uncomfortable about it. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=51259#post-147625 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:20:32 +0000 Sinnick 147625@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I don't think there's a huge difference in institutionalised racism between the US and the UK.</p> <p>Go to just about any US state, ask yourself: who runs the companies; who runs the government &amp; states; who serves in shops; who flips burgers; who cleans up ?</p> <p>These things, unfortunately but inevitably, take time to pan out. And those "with" are generally happy to keep it that way.</p> <p>I agree that many people in the US embrace multi-culturalism, but so do many in the UK. But not all. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=51259#post-147614 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 13:15:11 +0000 Gerontius 147614@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>ps....two very good points there BAG<br /> It could explain why - in the end - it wasn't such a close run contest after all.<br /> Or that there are more gays in the USA than they are prepared to admit. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=51259#post-147613 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 13:11:54 +0000 Gerontius 147613@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Rikkor makes a valid point.<br /> We suffer from inverted racism here in the UK<br /> The government would like to portray us as one big happy multi-cultural family where skin colour and ethnic background are not used to identify a person.<br /> Whereas in the USA they embrace it.<br /> If we don’t refer to skin colour or ethnic background then that somehow makes us all equal. - or less burdened by our colonial past.<br /> Or put another way, if we do use skin colour or ethnic background to identify a person then it implies we are not equal.<br /> Referring to someone using their ethnic or cultural background doesn’t automatically mean it is being used in a negative sense?<br /> Certain elections in the UK will be won by the muslim vote, just as they will the white vote...or middle-class vote, maybe in marginal seats by the gay vote or green vote.<br /> Surely we are grown up enough to talk about it without being accused of racism or bigotry.<br /> I will have absolutely nothing in common with Mr.Panjduhub from Islamabad and probably never will.<br /> But neither of us should be made to feel guilty about it.<br /> I’ll bet he makes a better curry than me. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=51259#post-147605 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:32:00 +0000 butagirl 147605@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>The weirdest thing is that there was comparatively little mention of the gay vote and the female vote, given that Romney alienated a great number of women and obliterated any chance of his getting the gay vote. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=51259#post-147593 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:17:09 +0000 Dick Everyman 147593@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I blame Jimmy Savile </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=51259#post-147551 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 01:13:24 +0000 rikkor 147551@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Weird, I assume you mean.</p> <p>I think the issue is that Britain has such a long and storied history of institutionalized racism, that you've all decided just to pretend it never happened. You all think just the same way as that nice Mr. Panjdhub next door who came from Islamabad three weeks ago, don't you? (Of course we all think alike, except we don't like Irish people, that's different.)</p> <p>Face it, the US has 320 million people of all sorts of different races, religions and experiences. At least we're not afraid to admit that. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=51259#post-147547 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 00:15:42 +0000 Ironduke 147547@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I cannot imagine in this country anyone talking about the 'black' or 'hispanic' or 'white' vote any more than 'muslim' or 'roman catholic' or 'gay vote'...but the interpretation of the American polls is harping on about it as a category of where latinos are and how 'they' vote.</p> <p>Seems wierd to me. </p>