http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138 The NewsBiscuit Community en-US Tue, 18 Jun 2013 22:39:23 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/search.php http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138&page=2#post-129955 Thu, 12 Jul 2012 11:26:31 +0000 Ironduke 129955@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I suggest rather than replicate the foul language on here (fun, and slightly naughty though it is t do!) we can solve the issue of rude word repetition (and hopefully thereby rescue Jeni B's career) by the simple expedience of the google English-Latin translator.</p> <p>...and the accused did say, m'lud: 'Nigrum Volvere', but in an ironical, sarcastic repetition.</p> <p>EVERYTHING looks more official and important in Latin. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138&page=2#post-129941 Thu, 12 Jul 2012 10:22:32 +0000 beau-jolly 129941@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I may have mentioned this before.<br /> My boarding school was all white so one younger lad was nominated as black and systematically bullied and abused for years with violence and racist abuse about his thick lips and curly hair even though he had straight blonde hair. In retrospect it was sureal. God knows what would have happened to a real er..a real.. one of ..um you know.<br /> I met him years later and he was a marine and built like a brick shit house. He could have easily torn my head off if he had wished but happily he was either charmingly forgiving or had a mental block. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138&page=2#post-129932 Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:50:14 +0000 Oxbridge 129932@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Just to show how football crowds have come on, this is what JT usually gets these days:</p> <p>Terry, you're the c**t<br /> Terry Terry, you're the c**t </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138&page=2#post-129819 Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:28:06 +0000 Ironduke 129819@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Interesting that I described 'red jumper' but not 'brown face' I think. My junior schooling in Hammersmith had all sorts of races and that did not matter in the slightest to anyone; it was then rather a shock to go to secondary school and hear 'Trigger,trigger,trigger, Shoot that n*gger' chanted in the playground.<br /> Still, the teachers were a rough lot. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138&page=2#post-129815 Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:45:08 +0000 The All New Jeni B 129815@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I think that as children, we don't register the 'difference' and nor should we.<br /> It's only as we get older and encounter other peoples prejudices that we learn to see that at something worthy of mention.</p> <p>Because my primary school was near Dundee Uni, we frequently had the children of short-term Professors as class-mates. Many of those children were 'different' to us in some way: colour, accent, etc, but they were to us, just new kids.</p> <p>The first time I became aware of race or colour being something different was when an Asian boy stole my Multi-Coloured Swap Shop scarf and then called me a "White shite" for telling on him. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138&page=2#post-129814 Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:40:44 +0000 Ironduke 129814@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>My parents tell me I did something similar at the same age- the boy in the red jumper etc, when to them he was the only black boy in the playground.</p> <p>They similarly pondered whether their son was thick, or actually race doesn't register at that age.</p> <p>To be fair, they did come down on the former conclusion though. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138&page=2#post-129811 Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:13:13 +0000 beau-jolly 129811@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>KGA6 makes some very good points. Its like black is a bad thing. </p> <p>I can't help thinking of my daughter when she was about 5. She described her friend in minute detail but I couldn't work out who she was talking about. It did not occur to her to mention her friend was black. To me this was the stand-out feature and I would have known immediately which friend she meant. To Rosie(light skinned and blonde)the difference didn't appear to register. She described the colour of her friend's favourite clothes. Had she already been warned not to mention skin colour or was she genuinely blind to the difference?</p> <p>Similarily a friend was trying to describe a girl he thought I knew. At no point did it occur to him to mention that she had only one leg. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138&page=2#post-129754 Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:04:42 +0000 Thor 129754@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Judge: 'Mr. Terry, do you have anything to say in your defence?’<br /> Terry (mumbling): ‘Fuck all.’<br /> Judge to Brief: ‘What did your client say?’<br /> Brief: ‘He said,‘fuck all,’ M’lud.’<br /> Judge (to himself): 'I must be going deaf; I was sure he said something.’<br /> © J. Mortimer. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138&page=2#post-129555 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 22:32:36 +0000 Ironduke 129555@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Reading back through; apparently today John Terry was told repeatedly by the judge to speak up in court.</p> <p>I recall how awful it was to have to repeat bad language or retell bad behaviour in front of a dissaproving teacher.</p> <p>JT(mumbles) 'and then I called him a black cunt, Sir'<br /> Judge 'You said what?'<br /> JT 'ahem- I called him a black cunt Sir'<br /> Judge 'Pardon?'<br /> JT 'err...Black Cunt sir'<br /> Judge 'I say speak up there, we can't hear you'<br /> JT 'I said BLACK CUNT SIR' (echoing around silent court room) </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138#post-129554 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 22:20:37 +0000 The All New Jeni B 129554@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Well, I hate it unless it benefits me... </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138#post-129553 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 22:14:57 +0000 Ironduke 129553@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>You mean you really think that birds (never mind middle-aged Scotch birds) can do complicated clever talking, and you're on that course on merit, rather than quota filling?</p> <p>Bless you, Peaches. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138#post-129549 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 22:05:38 +0000 The All New Jeni B 129549@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Absolutely Id, I'd hate to be forever wondering if I'd only been given a job because I fulfilled a demographic requirement as opposed to being the best person for a job. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138#post-129547 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 21:57:17 +0000 Ironduke 129547@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I share a similar and passionate loathing of positive discrmination kga.</p> <p>My uncle never gave an inch playing draughts, it was a genuine achievement when I finally beat him.</p> <p>I would hate to feel I was appointed/not appointed merely because of what I looked like; and I think positive discrimination actually merely serves to preserve awareness of differences.</p> <p>Meritocracy for me. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138#post-129546 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 21:48:31 +0000 kga6 129546@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Agree entirely ID, this is part of what I was getting at. A ranking of isms. Even within isms. Black was a trigger word - yet no other - would pink, white, maroon have been? Positive discrimination is my least favourite type - the worst form of hypocrisy. This is also why I can't understand how insults can be ranked by anyone other than the subject of the abuse. One man's adjective is another man's heartache. (see DVO/Murray comments for examples (not post itself))</p> <p>Is discriminately discriminating is the UK's favourite pastime? Farcical. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138#post-129518 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 19:46:19 +0000 The All New Jeni B 129518@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Thankfully, sectarian abuse only ever happened between Old Firm players and supporters.<br /> Even more thankfully, due to the cunting dollop of a mess that is/was Rangers, those abuses are at an end for a while.</p> <p>Despite traditionally religious differences between other Scottish teams, none of the others (predominantly east coast) teams indulge in what has been Scottish footballs greatest shame. (Other than their playing, before some wag points that one out)</p> <p>There is little in the way of racist abuse in Scottish football thankfully. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138#post-129510 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 19:20:27 +0000 Ironduke 129510@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Firstly, lets get out of the way the fact that both characters involved seem pretty abusive and unpleasant, so hard to feel any form of sympathy with either of them.</p> <p>Main point- its interesting that the <strong>preamble abuse</strong>, which could be dressed up as taunting and insulting language regarding someones personal, emotional life (which I accept is dignifying 'You fucked Bridge's missus, you cunt' with language rather more flowery than it deserves)is merely stated as part of the evidence- Ferdinand isn't facing any sort of official sanction for using Foul and Abusive Language, or taunts of a sexual nature, or invasion of privacy, or any other way of categorising the nasty potty-mouth.</p> <p>It seems because Terry utterred one particularly trigger-word within their vulgar dialogue, the full force of the law is unleashed.</p> <p>Would the same be true if he said 'You play like a girl' (sexism) or 'you're a gay bastard' (homophobia...which I'm willing to bet happens with great regularity on the football field) or possibly in Old Firm matches, I suspect religion might get a mention occasionally?? How about nationalism...'You're an english cunt'...would that hit the headlines?</p> <p>Just how to we categorise these insults? It seems racsism is the current defcon 1, but I wonder where the others rank and will they always rank below? </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138#post-129506 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 19:00:04 +0000 kga6 129506@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>As well as being a ridiculous scenario - seriously, what a waste of energy - does anyone else not think that the calling of 'a case' is the racist part of this?</p> <p>If called a fat ****, then I might be offended if I thought being fat was something to be ashamed of.<br /> If called a smart ****, then I might be offended by the ****, but chances are, I'd be pleased about the smart part enough to ignore it.<br /> If called a [insert colour/race adjective here] **** - now what? Either I'm ashamed of the race/colour connotation, in which case I'm offended, but also simultaneously admitting that that tag is something to be ashamed of. OR, I have pride in the identity and culture attached to that tag, in which case it isn't offensive (apart from the ****, which, let's be honest, is just banter for footballers).</p> <p>Ergo, the only racist part about this entire case is the fact that someone, probably a 'white' man (is that racist? I said white - oooh), has deemed it racist to describe a black man as black - therefore <em>that someone</em> is the racist for interpreting what is just an adjective as a negative term. No?</p> <p>Obviously, this is me, having been brought up to think that black is a colour/adjective and not a negative descriptor unlike certain other words that he could have used. For me this entire case is just advertising, incorrectly, that <em>colour does matter</em>. Sure, they are saying that <em>racism is wrong</em>, but they are still advocating that using the colour of someone's skin is derogatory - in this case intensified by the ****.<br /> Just me? (and breathe...) </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138#post-129455 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:37:00 +0000 The All New Jeni B 129455@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Id, it's always possible.</p> <p>However, I strongly suspect that as most Sheriffs in these here parts, (apols, got a bit Wild West there) are <strike>dusty old duffers</strike> approaching retirement age, I'd be seen as little more than a flibberty-jibbet. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138#post-129440 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:31:03 +0000 Ironduke 129440@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>@Jeni, do you think that would be taken into account in chambers when they're handing out the cases?<br /> - How about the new lassie, Ms B for this one?<br /> - I'd advise against it. Titters at cunt, don't you know.<br /> - Really? Good God, what are they churning out these days! </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138#post-129438 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:26:26 +0000 Ironduke 129438@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I've heard John Terry in interviews.</p> <p>Now if the lip-reader had indentified 'facking black caant', he might have had a point; but I genuinely don't think Terry is capable of annunciating the deeper U sound, he remains in cockerney-pseudo-falsetto.</p> <p>And thats a legal argument I would pay to hear, your honour. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138#post-129424 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 13:50:23 +0000 cinquecento 129424@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>don't you think it's time to resurrect the Victorian arts of phrenology and 'spot the villain by his facial characteristics'? I mean, John Terry really does look like a rat-faced little racist, so why not move straight to conviction. At a time of austerity we ned to be more creative around taking costs out of the legal system. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138#post-129375 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 11:33:13 +0000 Midfield Diamond 129375@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I think you're right Jeni about the CPS getting involved after a complaint by a member of the public. Similar cases have generally been dealt with 'within football' when the complainant is a footballer - eg the Evra/Suarez incident was handled by the FA. </p> <p>I'm not condoning what Terry is alleged to have said by any means but personal insulting of opponents is commonplace in sport at all levels. Some call it 'banter' to make it sound inoffensive but if it oversteps the mark, complaints should be made and it should be investigated. </p> <p>But do we really need a highly expensive court case to determine whether to fine John Terry a maximum fine of what to him would be small change, based on a complaint from a member of the public who managed to lip-read Sky's super-slow-motion coverage of the incident from his armchair? It seems to me to be completely out of proportion. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138#post-129369 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 11:19:23 +0000 The All New Jeni B 129369@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I do hope so Id. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138#post-129368 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 11:17:58 +0000 Ironduke 129368@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Do you think you'll get pigeon holed as a Cunt Titterrer Jeni? </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138#post-129336 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 08:35:42 +0000 The All New Jeni B 129336@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I get the impression that Ferdinand has been quite open about it having been he who instigated the spat.</p> <p>And wasn't the complaint made by a member of the public rather than Ferdinand? If a complaint is made, and after investigation the CPS thinks there's a case to answer, then it's little to do with Ferdinand other than appearing as a witness.</p> <p>And as for using c*** in court, right from the start of my degree they have given us scenarios and cases to present which use language such as that.<br /> Basically, if we get used to it at Uni, we're less likely to snigger when in court for real.</p> <p>I'm 41, have years of experience in presentation, and I still snigger every time. I should probably avoid court work. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138#post-129320 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 07:13:24 +0000 Gerontius 129320@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Good job he didn't grow up in a small Shropshire market town full of beery/leery farm hands.<br /> He would have taken 'fucking black cunt' as a term of endearment.<br /> More tiresome attention seeking from the fragile Ferdinands<br /> No doubt sees the pantomime-villanous Terry as a nice little earner (can you say that or is it libel)<br /> If you are going to dish out unpleasant remarks then you should at least be prepared to take them back.<br /> Fancy being lectured on morality by a Premiership footballer.<br /> Whatever next? </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138#post-129272 Mon, 09 Jul 2012 20:22:44 +0000 Ironduke 129272@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I've read the trial report in the Telegraph. Whilst I realise it is a serious issue, I cannot help but laugh at the quotes- the thought of all these lawyers and witnesses saying 'c**t' in court.</p> <p>I wonder who broke cover first in referencing 'c**t', rather than 'the c-word'? Whether one side was waiting for the other to say it first? A mental picture of Rumpole of the Bailey peering down inscrutably beneath his wig and curtly instructing the witness to 'Speak up!'.</p> <p>Finally, Anton Ferdinand trying to describe the tiers of c**t insult:<br /> “When someone calls you a c***, that is one thing but when they bring your colour into it, it takes it to another level and it’s very hurtful.” </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138#post-129264 Mon, 09 Jul 2012 20:13:39 +0000 Thor 129264@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>You only get a purple c**t after copulating with Nordic Gods. Just saying. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138#post-129262 Mon, 09 Jul 2012 20:10:12 +0000 Ironduke 129262@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Ooooh...interesting. I didn't realise there was a c**t scale.</p> <p>Is it like karate where you get a different colour belt the higher up the scale you get? Or in the Mason's where you get a silly name like Lord Commander of the Inner C**t Ring? </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=45138#post-129249 Mon, 09 Jul 2012 19:07:13 +0000 Perks 129249@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>From what I understand from news reports from the court, He called Anton Ferdinand a f**king black c**t because he refered to JT's fling with his team mates lady friend. In my book, sleeping with a friends other half makes you a c**t no matter what colour you are. </p>