http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009 The NewsBiscuit Community en-US Wed, 22 May 2013 13:07:35 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/search.php http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009&page=2#post-117872 Tue, 10 Apr 2012 07:59:02 +0000 Scronnyglonkle 117872@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Not in the bath I hope? </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009&page=2#post-117811 Mon, 09 Apr 2012 16:50:11 +0000 Ironduke 117811@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Ah, I'm with you now Gerry old boy...just relaxing with Whitney's greatest hits at the mo. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009&page=2#post-117801 Mon, 09 Apr 2012 15:47:24 +0000 writinginbsl 117801@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>i remember when...</p> <p>damn</p> <p>forgotten </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009&page=2#post-117761 Mon, 09 Apr 2012 10:02:01 +0000 Gerontius 117761@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Sorry Duke, I got me angles all wrong.<br /> It was meant to be reference to you being something of a jinx to the music industry - not an age related thing.<br /> Heavens - I can give you 20 years so I wouldn't want that sort of thing to surface. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009&page=2#post-117425 Thu, 05 Apr 2012 20:44:53 +0000 Ironduke 117425@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Gerontius, darling...I'm not yet forty now, not when Sex Pistols roared out on the scene.</p> <p>And I think Lydon sells butter substitute, which is somehow worse. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009&page=2#post-117370 Thu, 05 Apr 2012 16:29:13 +0000 JohnA 117370@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Watching "the Great Rock and Roll Swindle" recently I found myself thinking how avant garde they were (since I can remember 1977 clearly). But avant garde in 1977 means they've dated badly.</p> <p>And of course John Lydon sells butter now... </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009&page=2#post-117258 Thu, 05 Apr 2012 05:52:47 +0000 Gerontius 117258@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Duke, You wouldn't have any albums by the band that was playing on the Titanic by any chance....it's just that. Oh, never mind, it's probably just a coincidence.<br /> And that Glen Miller album, when just exactly DID you buy it?<br /> December 15th 1944...hmmmmm. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009&page=2#post-117203 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:05:16 +0000 Ironduke 117203@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I pogoed on stage to God Save the Queen dresssed as a transvestite Prince Edward. Great days...</p> <p>Sex Pistols for me (not yet forty) were a cool imported attitude, at a time when punks were on postcards with london buses and guardsmen, rather than a commonplace part of society.</p> <p>I suppose grunge was my generation's punk, but I just could not get my head round cardigans being cool....so it was fairly middle of the road Heavy Metal for me, just as Iron Maiden, GnR, Judas Priest and Def Leppard became uncool.</p> <p>In fact...maybe its me thats the jinx? </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009&page=2#post-117185 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 19:15:03 +0000 Runestone Cowboy 117185@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I licked Jimi Hendrix once. They eventually found me in 1986. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009&page=2#post-117182 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 19:05:04 +0000 waylandsmithy 117182@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>The government actually put acid in the water back then, it was thought to be a treatment for nits. Little did they know, eh?</p> <p>I remember in 1963, I was prescribed a big bag of 'triple noogies' by a doctor who was worried about my hair. Man, the visions I saw, the women I vomited near, the senses I permantently damaged. Great days, the see-sawing '60s. Not that I remember, obviously. Just flashbacks. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009&page=2#post-117179 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:47:18 +0000 Vertically Challenged Giant 117179@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I don't remember how old I was, I just remember being off my head on something. But I've taken way too much aspirin and drank too much Jim Daniels since then to remember all the details. That's what a rock n roll lifestyle does to you man. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009&page=2#post-117172 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:18:07 +0000 waylandsmithy 117172@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>So you must have been, what, minus 5 at that gig? Kudos.</p> <p>I saw the first ape to pick up a bone and hit a hollow-sounding tortoise with it. Great days. Obviously, I got really drunk at the after-show, and jammed until the sun came up with a load of rhesus monkeys.</p> <p>Lemmy was off his tits. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009&page=2#post-117170 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:15:17 +0000 Vertically Challenged Giant 117170@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I was lucky enough to be in a South London pub in '77 when the Pistols and the Damned were in there boozing. They performed an impromptu gig in the back room. There were only about 20 of us there and it was amazing. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009&page=2#post-117166 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 17:55:55 +0000 Stan Laurel 117166@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I saw the Pistols back in the day with a certain other Newsbiscuiteer. And the Dammed, the Stranglers etal. Wonderful stuff!</p> <p>By the way(land smithy), the Stranglers weren't really punk after No More Heroes. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009&page=2#post-117156 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 17:22:42 +0000 beau-jolly 117156@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I liked the Pistols. They were a burst of raw energy in a time that was filled with Donny Osmond and the Partidge family. I almost saw them once; the pistols that is. It was the time when they were being banned so gigs were secret. I was cool enough at the time to be told about the gig but evidently not cool enough to be told it had been discovered and cancelled. oh and Sid managed to crash and burn like all good rock stars. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009&page=2#post-117146 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 16:21:28 +0000 waylandsmithy 117146@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I'd take 'New Rose' over 'God Save the Queen' any day...</p> <p>The Velvets have never had an equal, and I don't think Peter Cook has really dated, either. Culturally, I guess punk was important. But the Sex Pistols just sound 'meh' to me. I think I might be being a music nazi here, though: I just don't think they played well or sang well or had very original songs. </p> <p>Is it true 'Whispering' Bob Harris decked one of them, when they were hounding him over not being allowed on the Old Grey Whistle Test? </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009&page=2#post-117128 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:01:47 +0000 beau-jolly 117128@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Merlot, Schmerlot. Actually I'm waitiing for the label design for a Merlot/Gamay house wine blend. Is it art though? He's charging me a lot for the artwork so it must be. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009&page=2#post-117109 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 14:11:02 +0000 Gerontius 117109@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Beau - are you still doing good deals on Merlot?<br /> I am still getting headaches when I drink too much red wine and the cider is playing havoc with my tendons.<br /> Can you suggest something legal? </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009&page=2#post-117107 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 14:04:11 +0000 beau-jolly 117107@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Sorry Alan, we overlapped. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009&page=2#post-117100 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 13:55:16 +0000 Gerontius 117100@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Mr.Scroat - I can see where you're coming from...sort of agree.<br /> But the older I get my mind is actually opening up to these things rather than contracting.<br /> I was quite blinkered at one time but now I try and look at things from all angles. Much of that has come from subbing stuff here on NB<br /> The thing about Hirst (the shark) and Emin (the bed)....they are the pieces of work that people made a bee-line for. Especially people who would never have dreamt of visiting a museum had those pieces of work not exisited. Which ever way you look at it, they caught the public's imagination/attention.<br /> You can't ask more than that from a piece of art.<br /> As for the Sex Pistols...I firmly believe they had a massive influence on the direction this country took heading into the 80s. It paved the way for a new Labour party - unfortunately it was Blair's Labour and not Foot's labour.<br /> ps....still think the TOTW concept has legs....maybe not every week though...maybe TOTM </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009&page=2#post-117077 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 12:44:10 +0000 Alan Sundry 117077@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>When did it become art?</blockquote><br /> Isn't that the point? :-)</p> <p><blockquote> I still thought it was a pie of crap.</blockquote><br /> Sounds more like Gilbert &amp; George to me. :-) :-)</p> <p>Edit: Oh, come on - you can't edit "pie of crap" now! :-) </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009&page=2#post-117074 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 12:40:11 +0000 beau-jolly 117074@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Re: Patrick Kielty: Absolute waste of oxygen.</p> <p>Re Art: More difficult. I alway think of this: A while back I was in the Tate Liverpool. They had 2 canvasses hanging on the wall. One was painted plain black, the other was just white. They were called "Shroud" and "Veil" and were painted by a radical feminist Iranian artist. With the knowledge of the background there was a poignant message and thus it was important and thought provoking. BUT I looked at the note below and realised that they had only just aquired the 2nd peice (for £10k) and for the previous 10 years had a black canvas hanging on its own. When did it become art?</p> <p>When it comes to real protentious shite I think Jake and Dinos Chapman are hard to beat.<a href="http://www.jakeanddinoschapman.com/">"Welcum to our webshite" are they taking the piss or what?</a><br /> I remember seeing "little death machine" and thinking it was a pile of crap. Then I learned that "little death" is the translation of the French for orgasm. I still thought it was a pile of crap. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009#post-117073 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 12:38:01 +0000 rickwestwell 117073@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>It's funny - the two bands who never sound dated are the Velvets and the Pistols.</p> <p>Maybe you had to be there, though - in '77 Jubilee year people were genuinely scared of the Sex Pistols. They really upset people, far more than any manufactured controversy these days. And Malcolm's influence on them is greatly overstated, not least by Malcolm himself.</p> <p>I guess you could say Peter Cook (for example) is dated, but for me, these geniuses have frozen the moment in time they made special, so they never date. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009#post-117072 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 12:31:36 +0000 Alan Sundry 117072@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Wayland, your stuff's great, but I could never agree about the Pistols - they were absolute fucking genius, in every way.</p> <p>But that's just me. :-) </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009#post-117071 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 12:29:09 +0000 Midfield Diamond 117071@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>Maybe it sounds dated because it's 35 years old (blimey, that is scary). </p> <p>Don't disagree that there was loads of exploitation and manipulation of the gullible yoof at the time, and there were an awful lot of bands that not only couldn't play but also had bugger all to say, but still cashed in (always hated The Damned). But I still think that Anarchy in the UK and God Save The Queen sound absolutely bloody fantastic. Each to their own. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009#post-117045 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 10:46:00 +0000 waylandsmithy 117045@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>It's amazing how many people 'stuck it to the man' by buying all those carefully designed albums and t-shirts.</p> <p>Emperors new clothes, I reckon. Listen to 'Never Mind the Bollocks' now and it's horribly dated. Like Patrick Kielty. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009#post-117031 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 09:43:03 +0000 Midfield Diamond 117031@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>But punk was all about attitude, sticking two fingers up at 'polite society' and making an unholy din about doing so. Anarchy In The UK and God Save The Queen are perfect examples of that. And my parents hated it when I was growing up with it as a teenager which made it even better. Inflammable Material by Stiff Little Fingers is my favourite punk album in case anyone's interested.</p> <p>But all this music, art, literature stuff comes down to personal taste, doesn't it? If you genuinely like something that I think is shit, does it really matter? As VCG says, it's those who pretend to like something because they think it makes them superior that irritate. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009#post-117015 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 08:43:52 +0000 waylandsmithy 117015@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>The Sex Pistols were complete shit, though. Fucking awful, even for a punk band. Just another manufactured boy band with more attitude than aptitude.</p> <p>PiL were great, though. It just goes to show.</p> <p>Gospel According to MenInBlack is my favourite punk album, because secretly it's Prog.</p> <p>'Punk showed us that anyone could pick up an instrument and form a band.' Actually, the opposite was true. Some people are talentless little shits at whatever they turn their hand to: just look at Patrick Keilty. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009#post-117013 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 08:21:04 +0000 Scroat 117013@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>The thing that irritates me about contemporary art is that it strikes me as being a similar attitude - people pretend to enjoy it so that they can feel superior to the millions of people who think it's bewildering tosh, but they don't really get it either.</blockquote></p> <p>I think this sums it up perfectly VCG.</p> <p>Also, I think it might be an age thing. 40 years ago I would have been more receptive/open minded/anti-establishment. So if Damien had been pickling sharks then and the establishment was up in arms, I would have defended his right to do his thing. I still do. But the problem with being open minded is that you let all sorts of crap creep in. And it can be an effort sometimes. Much easier to come clean and say "it's crap" rather than "I-think-it's-crap-but-I-may-be-wrong,-and-I-totally-defend-his-right-to-do-what-he-wants-and-call-it-art."</p> <p>While I'm here, as a once-budding potter, I think Grayson Perry's work is fantastic. Less keen on Tracy Emin - there is an unmade bed in our bedroom, but I don't think it's art.</p> <p>And I don't think we should get diverted into equating popularity with quality. Probably more people read redtops and the Mail than the Independent, but it doesn't mean they're better papers. </p> http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=41009#post-117001 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 06:51:55 +0000 Vertically Challenged Giant 117001@http://newsbiscuit.com/forum/ <p>I enjoyed the Dan Brown books. The criticism they got reminds me of a Hollywood blockbuster being slated by a film critic because he thinks he's somehow better than your average cinema-goer, despite it quite obviously being something that millions of people will enjoy. Kind of like Michael Bay's films.</p> <p>The thing that irritates me about contemporary art is that it strikes me as being a similar attitude - people pretend to enjoy it so that they can feel superior to the millions of people who think it's bewildering tosh, but they don't really get it either.</p> <p>Plus I don't like new ideas and am terrified of change, naturally distrusting things I don't understand.</p> <p>My old boss bought a painting of kind of wavy lines of colour directly from the artist for several hundred pounds. He asked her what it represented and she said she didn't want to prejudice his opinion of the piece by telling him hers, and it could mean whatever he wanted. To me that is the ultimate cop out, but quite clever at the same time, so fair play to her. </p>